WDT Acquires ChaserTV

I have respectfully and purposely attempted not to post on this thread but since I am who I am I guess it goes without saying that I am going to voice my opinion. Some will certainly dislike my thoughts, others may feel it sheds a little light on the subject...either way my hope is that it will maybe raise a few questions and concerns that need to be addressed openly in my opinion before anyone "goes" with WDT. I will start with somewhat of an introduction and then go from there. Please bear with me as I am going somewhere with this.

I have known Steve Miller (OK) since my early days of chasing, I think sometime in the 92-93 timeframe I met Steve and we became friends. We even kinda chased together in the late 90's or better said, we would run into each other on the same storm from time to time. He has remained a lifelong friend over the years and I am greatful for that friendship. Scott Bennett I met through Steve during the building process of CTV. Scott instantly became a good friend and one that I could and have relied on over the last few years. I was lucky enough to be a part of the building process of CTV, helping to take it from it's infancy in actual road testing. I was the first one to stream a live tornado with and on CTV and I knew it was one hell of a product. At that point I really pushed for CTV and in the 20 years I have been chasing, CTV was only the second product that I had ever promoted. It was just that good. But it wasn't just the product, the support that Scott and Steve gave for CTV was simply unmatched by ANY STREAMING SERVICE, including TVN (which was actually through and via WDT), Severe Studios, Inmarsat or any other product that was available. Simply put; it was the best product on the market period. There were many times I called Scott or Steve to help me out with a lost key or even a forgotten password at all hours of the night and they both were amazing. Thats the kind of support that anyone who used CTV received. That kind of support I will miss. Scott and Steve are not only good friends they were wonderful business associates that made the product and the CTV family what it is today. I am glad that I was allowed to be a part of that family, thats what I will probably miss the most. Steve, Chad Berryhill, Danny Neal, Jeff Smith....just remember my flight to Chicago and you will know what I am talking about.

Now on to the buy out...and for the above mentioned people please know that this post is in no way reflective of my feelings personally. These are genuine concerns and facts that raise a red flag with me and should with everone IMHO. I suspect that even some of the above named people are not familair with some of this information so please read with caution and understanding.
With this buy comes some great concerns for me and I suspect many if not all of you who currently use CTV will and probably should have concerns after reading this.
WDT is a big company with many many dealings/contracts with the likes of NBC proper to The Discovery Channel to TVN (hence the Discovery mention) to networks (CNN) to local broadcasters. All of which use/have the Imap functions and features. Last year there was a situation that arose here in the Tulsa market where a local broadcaster pulled and used a feed off the Imap of a very well known Texas storm chaser who was filming a tornado very close to him as he drove past it live on air. That feed was picked up live by a network and then by many, many other NBC affilaites as well as those who had contracts with WDT throughout the country. To my knowledge nothing was done with this as that station still continues to use this feature. I was informed by the Chief meteorologist from that station that this was a feature that WDT provided with their contract or at least the contract of NBC proper. Herein is the problem and concern I have:

As we all know, when selling your video the real money does not come from the local broadcaster. Yes you might make $200-$400 if your lucky but the real money is and always has been with the networks and then the productions. If you decide to "opt in" with the Imap feature you have a real good chance of loosing the ability to make a sale with any network or production that is using Imap/WDT feature. Let me explain:
You have got a great shot of a tornado and you are using the Imap, you have a million people looking at your stream inclduing CNN, as well as TWC and local broadcasters. During and after the shot you decide that you would like to try and sell said video, So you contact local broadcasters and even the Netwroks (the very same networks that just aired your video) and soon you realize that nobody wants it because they already have it. If you don't think that they run preroll and record off the feed just so they can play back during prime time or if it is local broadcasters, during the 6, 9 and 10pm news cast you are sadly mistaken. I spent many years in the media and this is how its done from market 1 all the way to market 149. And while it is true that you are making money off all of those viewers, it is certainly pennies on the dollars compared to what you would have gotten making the sale to the network or productions. But since they are "customers" of WDT and have a contract with them to be able to use all functions and features of the Imap including your stream they have the right to said video. There has been talk about embargoing, I would strongly recommend to anyone who is thinking about "opting in" to study up on embargoing your video. There is so much more than meets the eye to this especially in regards to contracts and companies that own an NBC station in one state and then an ABC affil. in another and possibly a network and or cable provider (think E.W. Scripps)

Please don't misunderstand me, I am not saying that it would be bad to go with WDT or even "opting in" if that's your flavor. All I am saying is that it is probably a good idea to read the "fine print" regarding the "opting in" and Imap feature. I might add that the very same chaser that I mentioned above also had his video being used on the Discovery page without being/getting reimbursed. Yes, this no doubt helped promote him but at what cost? I personally have never been one to like big business....monopolizing is not a good thing unless you are the one doing the monopoly.
And speaking of monopolizing, everyone needs to remember that WDT "held" the contract with TVN that you all signed if you streamed with TVN. Remember all the little fine print and receiving a .56 cent check for all your hard work? Yeah I have still got the contract. While I respect Reed and company including TVN for what they have been able to accomplish, I understand the "freindship" that WDT and TVN had and still do. That is obviously a big concern for me personally. I refuse to promote that faction by letting my video be represented with a product/feature that has and is known to have a direct relationship with TVN. A realtionship that actually founded and helped to start that feature and or product to begin with. There is no doubt that TVN has THE stronghold when it comes to stock video sales and or basic tornado footage. That faction should be proud of that fact however, IMO WDT also hold some responsibility with that issue with the support they gave TVN directly.
Of course this is nothing but good business on both sides but I have real concerns to be associated with the enitiy that helped to build an empire as we know today.

One of the main reasons why I choose CTV was becuase I knew Steve and Scott were honest good people. People that I knew and trusted, people that I had chased with and knew their background. Kinda like that little drug store that grandma used to take you to before they got bought out by Walmart or big business. I don't know who owns WDT. I don't know who all works for them. What I do know is that they have STRONG affiliation with TVN and they do business with the likes of Discovery, CNN, many local broadcasters, NBC proper which includes The Wearther Channel and many others. I know they have their hand in much. And I know that you can't sell your video to someone who already has it.

Maybe if JR or someone from WDT can give a FULL explaination as to what we can expect, give us the fine print, tell us who is actually in the game as far as what broadcasters, networks, productions or the like and go into real detail about embargoing video (for those that don't know or understand) then I might be interested and I might want to move forward with WDT. I mean I totally see the possible rewards but I also see some major issues. It looks real nice on the front page of the AMS website but it gives me no security except for the fact that I will make a certain percentage (no one has exactly said how much yet though) on viewers of my stream. Kinda reminds me of that used care sales man pitch....

And for those who own/run media/ brokering services...I have also never been a big fan of someone else brokering my video. Through the years I have learned to do it myself with the contacts I have made but with the streaming and the tours this gets troublesome. Should I choose to go with a broker service how will they be affected with this buy? Keeping in mind that WDT has a stronghold in many markets local and even networks. You cannot put an embargo to somewhere if that entity already has the contract in place with the local broadcaster you are trying to deal with. They already have viewed/aired said video from the Imap....it just does not make sense to me. I cannot believe that with all the "knowledge" people say they have who are running their own media service that they are not asking the same questions I am.

I need answers to these questions before I can or will make a sound decision as to stay or not stay with CTV/WDT. After all, other than the name, CTV is and will no longer be CTV, it will be WDT running CTV under the flag of CTV.

I respectfully ask any representative of WDT to help me understand how this is going to possibly work. There are only so many ways you can rob Peter to pay Paul, and thats what this "opt in" option feels like to me.

Thanks for letting me write this book and taking time in reading it. I look forward to your reply. And please excuse the grammer....its ealry. :)
 
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Lanny,

thanks for the Book, as you called it, WOW great information and I for one am very thankful you took the time to write this, I'm looking forward to WDT's reply to this.
 
Lanny's correct about the embargo issue. Third-party distribution is common regardless of the point of submission. In addition to TV stations feeding to networks, many networks have affiliate arrangements with content providers and entertainment sites. For instance, if your video gets picked up by CBS, it will get distributed to places like break.com, tvguide.com, newspaper sites and hundreds of others who have afilliate agreements with CBS. An item to consider not just for embargos, but on what to charge. Time limits are another important factor, I personally use a 30 day limit. That means it can't be used forever in perpetuity.
 
Just a quick update: I talked to J.R. this morning and WDT is currently putting together an email regarding iMap for ChaserTV subscribers that is not in direct response to Lanny and Dan's questions and comments but it actually ends up covering most of them.
Yesterday we were in a serious rush of questions, media, etc. and I think we're all just now coming up for air long enough to get some follow-up correspondence out to customers.

Just a couple housekeeping items:
- I want to remind subscribers and potential subscribers that just because you are with ChaserTV does NOT mean you are on iMap. The iMap is a feature you can opt into. Otherwise ChaserTV will function the same as it always has. Scott and I will be using ChaserTV's iMap product because of the revenue potential (see internal email to subscribers later today) and the fact that we can still sell live streams.
- For those who opt in to iMap, embargo works to whatever extreme you would like. You can be wide-open and have your stream displayed on every iMap, you can choose not to be shown on specific station websites, or you can completely opt out of being shown anywhere and still enjoy the use of an embedded iMap on your website, complete with radar and your vehicle icon and related stream.

Thanks again to everyone for the kudos on the CTV service in this thread and elsewhere.
 
I was thrilled to hear the news, it couldn't have happened to a better company. After a failed attempt at streaming with TVN I also quit and went to CTV which was far superior in every way except the viewership revenue, which now that CTV has access to makes it a no brainer.

For those speculating about WDT and CTV I am told WDT does nothing more than provide viewership totals and does not even know how TVNs streaming contracts work. CTV will also remain contract free, Scott and Steve went above and beyond to make sure CTV will stay exactly the same for those who want it that way, the fact they did that and WDT is understanding shows they had us in mind as well, my hope is that it will continue to stay that way as I did have the concern Skip did about WDT "eventually" molding the CTV brand their way. I guess we will just have to wait and see but I think WDT realizes we want CTV the way it is and it would be wise on their end to keep it that way as much as possible.

For now though, I am excited and ready to rock another year of streaming using CTV!
 
And for those who own/run media/ brokering services...I have also never been a big fan of someone else brokering my video. Through the years I have learned to do it myself with the contacts I have made but with the streaming and the tours this gets troublesome. Should I choose to go with a broker service how will they be affected with this buy? Keeping in mind that WDT has a stronghold in many markets local and even networks. You cannot put an embargo to somewhere if that entity already has the contract in place with the local broadcaster you are trying to deal with. They already have viewed/aired said video from the Imap....it just does not make sense to me. I cannot believe that with all the "knowledge" people say they have who are running their own media service that they are not asking the same questions I am.

Since the news was communicated, I have asked questions...to Steve, Scott and JR, and I am sure I will have many more questions once the process starts progressing. I will say that in the conversations I have had...lengthy at that-right SMOK- that I am not as concerned about sales as I have built my contact listing over the last year and it is considerable. As for LIVE streams, I am not taking a cut on them, and concentrating more on the ENG/Stock sales and allowing the chasers to decide if they wish to opt into iMap or not. I think that once more questions, such as the ones you have posed, Lanny, are answered, I will feel much more at ease.

Many people are resistant to change, which is understandable. Working in corporate america for over 25+ years, I know that change is a part of every day life and am extremely excited about this new opportunity to network further. Steve has assured me, as has Scott, that things will run status quo for the time being...and into the near future. I congratulate them on building and providing the best streaming service there is out there, and hope that WDT will expand upon it and make it just that much more of a "necessary" product. I promoted ChaserTV at every chance I could and am hopeful that I will want to promote WDT in the same manner.
 
...I think that once more questions, such as the ones you have posed, Lanny, are answered, I will feel much more at ease..

So will I but so far it just does not look good to me. Also, please note that the "knowledge" comment was a blanket comment. :)

...For those speculating about WDT and CTV I am told WDT does nothing more than provide viewership totals and does not even know how TVNs streaming contracts work...

I was on the same call as you and heard the same thing. I was not speculating in my original post. Those were facts. As far as TVN streaming, I do not believe this at all. I would encourage you to look over the contract you signed with them originally. The contract was TVN through/via WDT. I still have the contract and would be glad to post this on my blog for refreshers sake if needed. Also, here is the link informing of the "partnership :
http://www.tornadovideos.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=833&catid=38&Itemid=1

I also just received the update e-mail as most of you already have and of course there are still many questions and concerns that I have as that e-mail was nothing more than another introduction IMO.
The first question that was still not answered was how much money will they be paying the chaser per min. viewer? Not to mention the concern with embargoing. It is VERY CLEAR that WDT or some of its representatives within do not understand embargoing.
It is IMPOSSIBLE to only limit your stream to one station most particulalry if that station is a large company holding many different stations, networks, cable providers and the like. It is within their agreement/contract to share all newsworthy products. (Think E. W. Scripps) Now, lets move on to Networks such as CNN....if you are a local broadcaster you are either a CNN affiliate or your not. If you are then you are required to send video feeds via the likes of pathfire if CNN requests it. In return you can pull down ANY video feeds/stories or even severe weather/tornado video and run them on your local newscasts. This is a contract between the local station/broadcaster and the network, CNN in this case. This is the same with NBC/TWC who are now jointly owned. Ever see storm stories on your local NBC station late at night or on Saturday early mornings? Yeah, there is a reason why.
Now, take this local NBC broadcaster who just so happens to be running and using Imap, they get some incredible live tornado video and you don't think that TWC will be able to pick it up? Or we could go back to CNN as the example....CNN is an affil. with a station in Witchita, KS (just an example) that station is using WDT and the Imap feature, since you are chasing in that CWA/DMA you decide to go ahead and "turn on " your Imap with embargoing to only let that station see your video. You get a good live tornado and they take your live feed. Now because that station and CNN have a contract together and if CNN wants that feed they HAVE TO GIVE IT TO THEM! Live or recorded. Its that simple.

One more example for those that may still not understand....lets say you have a station in Denver that is an ABC station using the Imap feature who just so happens to be onwed by a company that also ownes 2 NBC stations, 4 CBS stations and 2 ABC stations. What do you think is going to happen to your video should they decide to air it in Denver? Yeah you guessed it! It could be shown throughout the ownsership of those stations due to contract requirments!!! There would ne NOTHING THAT WDT COULD DO TO STOP THIS. The word embargoing is probably the most misunderstood word regarding media today, and if you do not understand it how in the hell are you going to represent me and my video/stream or any body else for that matter correctly?
Yes I understand that your willing to pay me so much money for so many viewers per minute/hour. I know of one chaser using this structure with well over 10,000 viewer hours last year and he made a little over $600 total for the year? This would be the price of one sale to any one of the networks! Oh and of course, he was with TVN....the company that WDT is not a part of.;)

As I stated already I have some major concerns that STILL HAVE NOT BEEN ADDRESSED. Furthermore, I see that many of you seem to be happy with this and the option of the Imap. I simply do not understand selling yourself short on the money you could make to the network VS $50-$100 per 1000 viewer hours. It is simple math that should not be hard to do. And speaking of math, I have been informed that the adds are how they pay for the Imap feature. THIS IS BULL!!! They pay for the structure with the current contracts/partnerships they currently have or have had with Discovery, CNN, NBC, Weather Plus via NBC, many TV stations in the US, internet use....c'mon guys....what a line of crap! The adds are nothiong more that additional income as we all know and have probably used ourselves.

Hey I have a great idea WDT,... why not raise the price your going to pay per min/hour viewer to $300 per 1000 minutes??? The "standard" going rate is somewhere between $45 to $80 per second which is still way above what WDT is willing to pay currently. Actually it is somewhere near 98.5% lower than what the going standard rate is! Talk about killing the market!

I openly call many of the more experineced people who have delt with or understand media, embargo and network media tactics such as Dan Robinson, Doug Kiesling, Jeff Smith, Steve Miller, Kory Hartman, Andy Gabrielson, and the many many others who have sold much video over the years to explain to me how on earth this is a good thing much less how this is not going to flood the market and kill your ability to stream and make real money at it? This is no different than what has happened with TVN.

Currently I am holding my options open as I was hoping to get a real response back from WDT however, I have already spoken with Severe Studios and may make a move in that direction soon. My thought process is that at least I will still be able to make a real sale to the networks and locals without "feeding the beast" so to speak. I cannot speak for Jeff, Chad, JD, Brian, Jill or anyone else from ECT but I suspect I will not hold back on my thoughts regarding this situation.

I am happy for Scott and Steve but at this point I am not happy at all with WDT and the "options" they are giving, nor am I happy with what I feel is dishonesty regarding embargoing and media tactics. Of course, all of this is just my opinion and does not represent my company, friends, family or the like. These are just my thoughts and concerns with this buy-out/sale
 
There's an easy solution here. don't opt to Imap and then you won't have worry about ANY of this.

If you don't opt into imap. Everything stays the same and then you have no issues with anything related to imap. I understand the worries you have, but why worry about it? you said you liked everything how CTV ran. Then the easy solution is if you don't opt into imap your problem is solved. It's an option to opt into it.

No one is going to give you everything you want. now that imap is an option you want imap, but still the rights to sell your stream.. This just sounds like a conflict of your own interests versus what's best for everyone.

and please don't reply with "who are you?"

I'm a fellow chaser that is apart of CTV. I dont care to have my name popularized by people. I chase because I enjoy it. that's who i am.
 
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There's an easy solution here. don't opt to Imap and then you won't have worry about ANY of this.

If you don't opt into imap. Everything stays the same and then you have no issues with anything related to imap. I understand the worries you have, but why worry about it? you said you liked everything how CTV ran. Then the easy solution is if you don't opt into imap your problem is solved. It's an option to opt into it..

You are correct, Mike, that is an easy option however, in my honest opinion, the decent honest people like Scott and Steve are no longer managing, running or controlling the product. Big business is now. Everybody has and is saying that no changes will be made to CTV, I beg to differ. Some people are just not seeing them openly.

...No one is going to give you everything you want. now that imap is an option you want imap, but still the rights to sell your stream.. This just sounds like a conflict of your own interests versus what's best for everyone..

Why not? Steve and Scott did? They gave me what I needed and wanted. Thats the world we live in today, excluding of course our current political party in charge. I don't understand this concept nor have I ever or the rest of your statement. I have never said I wanted Imap. You assumed that. What I said was that I could see some real possibilities with exposure, but at what cost. Please refer to my original post.
I often hear the "versus what's best for everyone" on CSPAN or when I am watching our current "leader" advising the Amreican people what they "need to do" and again, I do not understand this thought process. We all have different needs/wants. whats good for me may not be good for you or everybody. IMO this is one of those situations. I am simply trying to point out some real concerns and issues with the hopes that I might be able to get some answers and or help somebody else who may or does have the same concerns as I. Since this announcement I have fielded close to 60 calls and many many emails from people asking me what this means or what that means or what they should or shouldn't do. I have refered all of those people here to ST with the hopes that a representative from WDT would make some sort of appearence and help to explain things a little better.
Don't get me wrong, CTV is a great product and I suspect it will continue to be as long as WDT does not go crazy, but the problem is, as I have already stated before, it is no longer owned/managed by what I feel were very honest, hardworking, respectable people that I knew, Steve and Scott. Then add the issues with media tactics, embargoing, a partnership with TVN, Discovery and I become very very concerned.
 
These are excellent points and valid issues, Lanny, and this is a good place to discuss them in an open forum here. Anyone concerned with how their video is going to be used, marketed, or how their revenue sources will change, should not be switching over to the iMap system until their is a transparent and established system in place on how everything is going to work. I see no immediate cause to flee CTV, however, as things look like they will remain status quo in short term for those who do not opt in. Maybe in the long term we will have to look at alternatives if WDT slowly transforms CTV into its own creation. For those with a media broker, I'd like to have the broker making the suggestion on what's best for their particular streamers. This is one of the main advantages to having a broker: having them understand and handle these situations so their people can just got out and chase. I think the iMap tracker, especially in the short term, is going to be more for the casual chaser who is not too concerned with video sales and media rights. I'll probably be making the jump when the option is available (unless there is something dramatic hiding in the fine print), but I'm just out there to see a tornado, have friends follow along, and don't need to make a sale to complete my chase experience. I think a lot of the CTV folk fall into this boat. Lanny is right, though. You need to be aware that the situation is now very different if you're concerned about your video's use and value and are planning on opting in to the tracker.
 
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The industry is changing rapidly thanks to the internet, and new technologies an opportunities are bound to come. It is all going to come down to what is in the contract. If the agreement isn't made publicly accessable to window-shoppers (I would assume not) then those that choose the iMap opt in should read it very carefully before signing. Not all business deals/contracts are bad by default, but there is always the potential for exploitation. One item to note is that, as far as I am aware, even third party distributors must abide by the photographer's terms of the sale. That is, the buyer's own policies don't override the photog's stipulations. Again, a contract can take those rights away, so read it carefully. The problem is that it is getting harder for a photog to make a sale with such stipulations, as the purchaser doesn't want to have to deal with the rights/clearances implications of selective restrictions.

(post edited to clarify this is concerning the iMap opt-in, not CTV)
 
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Why not? Steve and Scott did? They gave me what I needed and wanted. Thats the world we live in today, excluding of course our current political party in charge. I don't understand this concept nor have I ever or the rest of your statement. I have never said I wanted Imap. You assumed that. What I said was that I could see some real possibilities with exposure, but at what cost. Please refer to my original post.
I often hear the "versus what's best for everyone" on CSPAN or when I am watching our current "leader" advising the Amreican people what they "need to do" and again, I do not understand this thought process. We all have different needs/wants. whats good for me may not be good for you or everybody. IMO this is one of those situations. I am simply trying to point out some real concerns and issues with the hopes that I might be able to get some answers and or help somebody else who may or does have the same concerns as I. Since this announcement I have fielded close to 60 calls and many many emails from people asking me what this means or what that means or what they should or shouldn't do. I have refered all of those people here to ST with the hopes that a representative from WDT would make some sort of appearence and help to explain things a little better.
Don't get me wrong, CTV is a great product and I suspect it will continue to be as long as WDT does not go crazy, but the problem is, as I have already stated before, it is no longer owned/managed by what I feel were very honest, hardworking, respectable people that I knew, Steve and Scott. Then add the issues with media tactics, embargoing, a partnership with TVN, Discovery and I become very very concerned.

You're right in a corporations hands now. however, it can't be controlled. no one can foresee the future. Will a WDT representative telling you they don't plan to change anything in the future make you become anymore at ease? If it does it shouldn't because it can change at any given notice. However at least for this season I doubt anything will be forced to any change. However, I also know a person with over 10,000 viewer hours on imap. Made a decent amount of money. Now trying to sell your stream that many others are on while competing with other chasers in one area. It'd be foolish for any of these news companies to WANT to buy your stream outside of the contracts with WDT. It's tossing money down the drain. It sounds like the individual with that many viewer hours made more money then a few chasers i can think of off the top of my head. Maybe it's worth going to imap to make that money. Then again if you confident enough and believe in the product you bring to the stream you can sell the stream off. Then stay with selling the stream.

In business there are no guarentees with anything. anything can change at any given moment. Life changes every second of our lives. This is something that we need to ACCEPT what it is. Now i dont blame you for your technological questions, but when it all comes down to it. I don't know if you or others are going to like the answer. then again I can be wrong. The people that owned CTV whom i've had the pleasure of being in their company are hardworking wonderful individuals. This does not make them bad business people for whatever happens to CTV in the future(not that I thought you were implying that). I think it's all of matter of rely on viewership hours or not opting to that and selling your stream. In either case some of the questions you have I think simply place you inbetween a rock and a hard spot.

-Mike
 
The industry is changing rapidly thanks to the internet, and new technologies an opportunities are bound to come. It is all going to come down to what is in the contract. If the agreement isn't made publicly accessable to window-shoppers (I would assume not) then those that choose to opt in should read it very carefully before signing. Not all business deals/contracts are bad by default, but there is always the potential for exploitation. One item to note is that, as far as I am aware, even third party distributors must abide by the photographer's terms of the sale. That is, the buyer's own policies don't override the photog's stipulations. Again, a contract can take those rights away, so read it carefully. The problem is that it is getting harder for a photog to make a sale with such stipulations, as the purchaser doesn't want to have to deal with the rights/clearances implications of selective restrictions.

There are no contracts. I'm unsure how we can be more clear.
 
The bottomline for me has been the point of iMap being an Opt-in situation and outside of ownership change...I can leave my account the way it was last year and affectively will see no difference and not be part of iMap at all unless I choose. Lanny...you are not the only one asking questions...but I think some just need time to look everything over, do the research and more. At the moment...I don't really know if I will ever take advantage of iMap...I haven't done the research. But I like the option, know there may be a 'potential' for business gains. Of course under that there is the 'potential' to loose income too. Just have to figure it out in time.
 
Easy boys ! No need for WWIII. Skip summed up what Lanny is trying to shed light on "transparent and established system in place on how everything is going to work".

Weather WDT continues to keep CTV the way it is with options, or not, is something we'll have to wait and see. Business is business, hence the reason for Lanny's concerns. Steve you of all people should know this, it has nothing to do with friendships. I know it can be difficult at times, I really do. It is my hope that you and everyone else involved here can separate the business/friendship relationships.

I think an email or post from JR with actual numbers would help.
 
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