Total solar eclipse of August 21, 2017 - predictions

[Dan Robinson]

We're getting to just two years away from this monumental event. Here is the path of totality:

http://xjubier.free.fr/en/site_pages/solar_eclipses/TSE_2017_GoogleMapFull.html

Even though I live only 6 miles from the path of totality, it got me wondering just how popular this event might be and how difficult it could be to plan and execute being there for it. Despite the eclipse having a swath crossing the entire USA coast-to-coast through very remote areas, I'm wondering if this event will attract enough people to clog even the most remote of rural roads.

For instance, here in southern Illinois, you might have a significant part of the Chicago, St. Louis, Quad Cities, Springfield and Memphis metros all converging in rural areas from mid-Missouri to western Kentucky. It's mind-boggling to think of what that would look like - endless severe chaser convergence-like conditions for hundreds of miles?

Then again, I don't know how much the general public cares about this event. I would assume it will be a lot, and I'd assume that due to the internet, far more people will know it's coming than in 1979. It's the first time for anyone alive today that a total solar eclipse has been easily accessible to the entire US population, and the first in the US since the 1979 one in the extreme northwest corner of the country.

Then there is the issue if clouds suddenly move in or are forecast in the 24 hours beforehand, causing everyone to try moving hundreds of miles at the last minute.

Will this event be a logistical nightmare, a May 19, 2010 on every single back road, or a quiet, serene one like watching a supercell in western Nebraska in July?

 

[MClarkson]

I don't think there will be huge traffic problems in most places. For the annular eclipse of 2012, I went to a viewpoint on the rim of the grand canyon in the exact middle of the path. Yes, there were a lot of other people there (with the most amazing concentration of expensive lenses and telescopes!) but it was not remotely close to the ability of even that simple road network to handle. 2 things I think work against traffic problems: 1) the average citizen is hopelessly ignorant and uncaring of such things, and 2) an incredibly wide swath of potential "target areas" exist, when you have the entire country to choose from. No one needs to concentrate on a single point like a tornado.

 

[Elaine Spencer]

For the annular eclipse of 2012, I went to a viewpoint on the rim of the grand canyon in the exact middle of the path....it was not remotely close to the ability of even that simple road network to handle.

An annular eclipse doesn't come close to a total eclipse in terms of spectacle, for lack of a better word. Here is a succinct explanation of the difference by a veteran eclipse chaser:

http://www.beingintheshadow.com/2013/05/07/annular-versus-total-solar-eclipse/

As she describes it, if you rate the intensity of the experience on a scale of 0 to 10, a partial eclipse rates about 4, an annular 9, and a total 100. Other eclipse experts describe the difference as being like almost dying vs. actually dying, or holding hands vs.... you know. Also, an annular eclipse can't be viewed with the naked eye -- you still need special filters to look at it -- whereas full totality can be viewed with the naked eye, and those who have seen it say it's probably THE most awesome sight in the natural world.

So I dunno that the turnout for an annular eclipse is necessarily predictive of the turnout for a total eclipse. Astronomy buffs and eclipse chasers who wouldn't bother with an annular eclipse WILL turn out for this one. Not to mention that it's happening in the summer rather than in the winter like the total eclipses of 1970 and 1979 did.

As for where the greatest eclipse chaser convergence might happen, I would think it might occur in the Grand Tetons of Wyoming or the Great Smoky Mountains in North Carolina, or along the Oregon or S. Carolina coasts because those are the most scenic/photogenic places to see it. However, significant convergence is also likely where the duration of totality is at its greatest, and that includes the areas Dan described. Anywhere along the centerline between, roughly, KC and Nashville you can expect at least 2 min 40+ secs of totality. In addition, there is a small patch of southern IL, southeast MO and western KY that will be in the path of ANOTHER total eclipse in 2024; some eclipse chasers will be drawn to that area because they plan on coming back in 7 years and being able to boast that they saw TWO total eclipses from the same spot:

http://www.eclipse2017.org/2017/overlap.htm

How much of the general public turns out will probably depend on the amount of advance publicity and preparation done in communities/states along the path. Some have suggested that states along the path declare Eclipse Day a one-time state holiday (I personally agree).

 

[NealRasmussen]

Two years?

Will there even be roads left in 2 years? Really nice County Commissioner swimming pools, but roads? IDK...

 

[Scott Howard]

eclipse2017.org
Like you I've also been thinking of this event. Living in Southeast central iowa it's an easy drive. But it's the weather potential and how long a drive it could end up being.

 

[Greg Campbell]

I'm thinking eastern Wyoming or western Nebraska will offer the best combination of low crowds and, with few mountains nearby, clear skies. The area around Grant Teton NP and Jackson, Wyo is guaranteed to be an utter zoo. The valley north or Weiser Idaho, not far from the Oregon border, also looks like a reasonable place to try.

 

[Greg Campbell]

Just found this... The Idaho/Oregon border area is looking statistically better.
http://xjubier.free.fr/en/site_pages/solar_eclipses/TSE_20170821_pg01.html

I suspect I'll wind up in western Wyoming in the the days before the event, then try to decide which way to jump the day before.

 

[Stan Rose]

Ive already planned this down to the foot with GE. I have two potential spots, plus some back ups. Ultimately, cloud free conditions will determine where I go. One of the fringe benefits of being a meteorologist.

 

[Dan Robinson]

Nebraska is my backup plan if models show the Midwest in a NW flow/ring of fire regime, with daily MCSs plowing southeast from Iowa. Otherwise, the odds of a solid cloud deck at midday here in August are pretty low. If I have to use that Plan B, I'm preparing for it being like a hurricane chase - sleeping in the car and being self-sufficient with food, water and extra gas to get me in and out of the totality path. Even with a lower-end pilgrimage, I'd imagine some places - especially in the more rural areas - will underestimate the numbers and be ill-prepared without enough food and fuel.

 

[Patrick Martin]

I've got a couple of locations mapped out for the day, but safe to say that ern Wy or wrn NE is where I plan to be as it will be a cinch of an out and back drive.

 

[Marc R. O'Leary]

I was at Carhenge in Alliance NE yesterday and they anticipate over 10k people. If I go out, it'll be trying to find as bfe a location as possible.

 

[Dan Robinson]

Yeah, every experienced eclipse observer I've read so far says to not worry about photography, just take in the experience. I'm heeding that advice and not caring one bit about picking somewhere with a cool foreground to get good photos. It's too short of a duration event to be fiddling with equipment, and with the number of people shooting this, any images one captures will be even that much more worthless.

 

[Stan Rose]

Yeah, every experienced eclipse observer I've read so far says to not worry about photography, just take in the experience. I'm heeding that advice and not caring one bit about picking somewhere with a cool foreground to get good photos. It's too short of a duration event to be fiddling with equipment, and with the number of people shooting this, any images one captures will be even that much more worthless.

Well, if you have a photography business, that's what you do, you worry about photography A small part of me is envious of your resolve to simply enjoy, but I think I can have the best of both worlds; totality won't be over in seconds so there will be time to do a little fiddling, and if you are set up beforehand and have thoroughly scouted everything, i think the gear worry will be minimal. As for the cool foreground, well that's obviously key for the photo cause as you pointed out, there will be 100,000,000+ photos/video of the eclipse, but experience with these type of events tells me that there will only be 100s that are marketable. And while the supply will be great, the demand for the best images will be equally great, so I disagree with the 'worthless' assessment--the top 10 or so images are going to be HUGE income-producers. If you're a landscape photographer, this is a holy grail opportunity. It's no different than catching an EF-5 with a couple rainbows, lightning, and maybe a cow or unicorn thrown in to boot. It's the moment chasers, whether they be storm chasers or chasers of great light, live for. And personally, putting in myself in a spot with a good foreground is just going to enhance the personal experience for me. I'd rather be watching the eclipse from a primo location than from some dinky farm in Beatrice, NE...but that's just me. If i have to crawl over a bunch of tourists to get there, so be it!

 

[Stan Rose]

Here's your view from outside Beatrice...exciting, aint it?

 

[Dan Robinson]

I don't know - after my experiences with hard work and expense in trying to monetize still photography over the years of an internationally-famous national landmark, I have little hopes for what the eclipse will bring. It'll quite literally be like playing the lottery to be one of the few who get successful images. Plus, they'll just be stolen an posted to other social media accounts anyway unless our copyright laws get reformed before then.

I'll probably set up some video cameras which can roll unattended, but not much else.