Someone once told me that if you can take the picture somewhere and the first thing someone says is "cool tornado," then it's a tornado. Other than that, and it's just a 'something'.
-John
-John
Thank you for that valuable information, Beau! Unfortunately, my problems with LOT did not stop with this storm. As I mentioned in a previous post, my chase team and I embarked on a very short chase after this bad storm. We went to the south suburbs of Chicago, where we observed several areas where the roadways were covered with up to 8" of water. I called in the report, making sure to identify myself as a storm spotter. I gave my observation, the town, even the actual streets where the flooding was taking place. Still, an LSR was never written on that report. So, I understand what you are saying, but that still doesn't lessen my feelings toward LOT in this incident.[/b]
LOT does issue LSRs for flooding, especially street flooding.Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe LSRs are issued for flooding.
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Sorry to be such a pest NickTony,
Sorry for the wait... I have been busy:
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Note the velocity scan (lowest 0.5deg tilt) -- no rotation visible from any of the storms.
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Tony,
Sorry for the wait... I have been busy:
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Note the velocity scan (lowest 0.5deg tilt) -- no rotation visible from any of the storms.
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Thanks Joe! I knew that, but I didn't even notice! Sheesh.You'd want to look at storm relative motion to get a better handle on rotation than you can with base velocity.
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I would not take Tom Skilling's "confirmation" of the above pic being a wall cloud as a real confirmation. There are PLENTY of chasers with MUCH MORE experience than Tom[/b]
Originally posted by Marc Austin
I really must agree with Jeff. I know that some of you may consider yourselves very good at reading all the data and making your decision based solely on the data, but you have to understand that there are so many things taking place in the atmosphere. There is no way that data alone can represent every single thing that is occuring in the atmosphere at a specific location and time, especially within such a small area. Even data is estimated and is often delayed and sometimes inaccurate. Tony was the one on the ground witnessing the storm, it's motion, and it's structure. It is fine to have an opinion about what he says, and it's fine to disagree with him and tell him that you disagree with his arguments in a sensible manner.
Skilling is a very intelligent, very reputable, and very well-respected broadcast meteorologist on WGN-TV in Chicago.Weather is very unpredictable and is something we do not know much about. It is hard to tell what was occuring with the pictures given as they dont appear to show anything in the form of a funnel/tornado and the radar shows no rotation that I can see. Having that said we were not there and tony was and since weather is so unprediactable it is possible tony did see a funnel/tornado and a wall cloud. You must remember weather is very wierd and hard to understand so one can never know what realy happens with a storm unless he is there and watching it. The movie night of the twisters everyone thought it was to cold if I am correct and none believed there would be tornadoes and look what happend? that movie is based on a true story is it not? Just an example of how weather can do the unexpected. I wasint there so i cant say there was or wasint a tornado. I would say no because of the picture and the radar but tony was watching the storm and says he saw a wallcloud and a tornado so I am going to take his word for it. I am curious who is Tom Skilling? is he a NWS Met? And I was curious how much you have chased rdale as I dont remember hearing of you chasing storms in the past so I was wondering? Do you have a weather site? No offence to anyone or disrespect just my point of view. -MatthewCarman.
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