Storm Chasing Education Network...

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Hello folks,

Since this last thread has come up I've also had something I need to get off my chest. ;)

No worries, it definitely is not directed at anyone or anything in particular. Or maybe it is... Either way, if you could bear with me for a few minutes to explain...

A close friend of mine and I were talking to each other a few weeks ago, bouncing ideas off each other about the chase-community in general and came up with an idea.

How open would everyone be to possibly create a social network specifically focused on safety and education for storm chasers?

There really isn't anything out on the web that specifically focuses on this and I can see it being something very beneficial. We have the Storm-Track forums, we have the Eastern Wx forums and probably hundreds of chasers out there that desperately want their voices heard, just dying in attempt to teach or educate.

It's getting to a point nowadays, that we are seeing newer and younger chasers on the road. While this isn't a particularly bad thing, I, personally, feel that safety should be priority one when jumping into this "hobby." And it really is a component that is being severely overlooked by many.

This interactive web-site or "social network," we have visioned, would include seasoned, veteran storm chasers that would be willing to interact with young, new chasers to educate... not only the proper techniques of storm chasing, but safe strategies, ettiquette, and items that can increase your purpose. CPR or emergency response training, for example, could be an item or two that could be discussed. The site/network would not be focused on sharing pictures or videos, who saw what, when, how, or how many... We're purely envisioning a place that new chasers can visit to find answers.

We're not quite sure how to approach the idea right now, since it is very early in the process. But, for now, we're just looking to see if the more seasoned, veteran chasers would be willing to partake in something like this.

We've both already established several rules... No personal photos or video's will be allowed, no personal "statistics" will be allowed, no forecasts would be allowed, and that the site/network would be strictly moderated. We don't want just another weather forum.

We want this "network" to only be about the safety component to chasing and educating, in general. For example, providing a new chaser answers to questions like "What would be the safest approach to a right-moving supercell?" Or "What kind of radar tendencies should I look for to avoid large hail?" We would also like to encourage scientific discussions. Not to confuse new or younger chasers getting into the hobby, but to teach them proper verbage and processes.

Of course, we don't want a boring FAQ list, either. We both really want an interactivity between the newer chasers and those that have been doing this for years and years.

We don't necessarily want to focus on any particular group of chasers, but we've agreed on a "definition" for what we want to consider "seasoned or veteran chasers." We would prefer to have folks that have, at least, chased 10 years and have a respectable track-record. What I mean by "respectable track-record" is someone that has provided reliable reports over the years, someone that is highly regarded in the community, and someone that has, at least, been certified and re-certified through Skywarn a minimum of three times over the course of their storm-chasing career. Given that Advanced Skywarn Training courses occur several times a Spring, every year, and nearly country-wide, we don't feel that this is asking too much. We would also prefer chasers that have amateur radio licences. Again, we don't necessarily want to single a particular group out, but personally, I've found that folks that have these credentials tend to take storm chasing much more seriously than the typical chaser. We want folks that really want to share their experiences and lessons to teach and educate.

Once again, we're currently in the very early stages of possibly setting something up and merely want to guage interest in a venture of this sort.

If this sounds like something you may want to take part in, please let me know through a PM or E-mail. At that time, I can definitely send more information.

Thanks for your time and consideration!
 
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I really like this idea. Recently I've only been learning parts of chasing from experiencing it, asking questions, and constantly researching online for information. The only time I seriously learned a whole lot about chasing and spotting was at the TESSA conference when I took the Advanced Spotter class. It would be awesome those materials were accessible or if we could create our own materials.
 
That's the idea, Greg...

Personally, I'm viewing this as a safety/educational resource for chasers, created and maintained by chasers.

I'm very disappointed thus far that I've only had one response. Goes to show how unimportant many feel this is. And how simply taking away the picture and video swapping takes away from chasing. Take away the bragging rights and what do we have? A mum crowd, apparently...
 
I am no computer science major, so I have no idea how to set this stuff up. However, I think this educational idea would be best suited for a storm chasing wikipedia? This would allow for the content to be edited and maintained. It could have pages on approaching storms, etc... Since there are many wikipedias out there the format couldn't be too hard to replicate??? There's my idea, hey at least you didn't start a thread on weather modeling ;-).
 
I think stormtrack needs it's own wiki for a good educational rescource. The other wiki's out there I have seen are mostly inactive and have very little information.

If you really wanted to make an educational rescource on storm chasing safety, wikipedia would be a good place to start making one.
 
Is this idea also for people like me? Who would love to be educated by real storm chasers, but I don't know if I would be allowed seeing as how I'm not a storm chaser, unfortunately. I would be, but I live in New Mexico, so far away from anything that might happen in......say Oklahoma. Just wondering.
 
Storm Chasing Education Network

I have been chasing for a while now but now really trying to get into the forecasting and more documenting of the storms I chase. I consider myself a new chaser in a lot of ways due to the fact that I have never really used equipment of any kind and have only really chased storms that have been in the local area of a couple counties around whee I live. The one thing that I have found since finding Storm Track and things like the National Storm Chasers Convention type things is that it seems to me that not many "veterans" are willing to jump on the chance to take new people out with them to help them learn the ropes maybe the correct way instead of doing something that might get them hurt. I know that a lot of people that have been chasing for a while have people they like to chase with or are set in their ways but having been involved in other things that as a "veteran" I tried to always jump at the chance to help new people out so they could learn things instead of going out and just trying things out.

I posted on the Chase partner area and got one response and it was more for a tour which is not really what I am looking for and I know of other people that are wanting to chase and not really do a tour type chase.

I like the idea you presented and would be glad to help out in anyway possible. I do some computer graphics and working on my degree in computer networking so if I could be of any assistance please let me know. I think anything to help people learn and get them a chance to get into the field with all the education they can.
 
Personally, I'm not into it. The less people out there chasing...the better I like it. And bringing along someone from a mentoring standpoint (this is the way I interpreted your idea) will just encourage more kids to get into this. If young folks are interested....there are plenty of reading materials, etc. for them to learn. Let 'em learn firsthand for themselves (out in the field) that this is a rough game.
Hate to sound "sour grapes"....but like I said...the less of 'em out there...the happier I....and I suspect a LOT of others...will be.
 
Thanks Matthew. I come from a teaching background, so my mind is always considering new possibilities of learning.

I think a Wiki would be a great idea. I'd offer to take part in it (considering the background I have in computer science and web development), but I am very pinned down by schoolwork at this time. Perhaps sometime in the summer I could get to work on this.

And I fully understand where you're coming from, Joel. The best time I had chasing was when just me and a few friends of mine were out in West TX chasing. Did not see a single chaser and it was very peaceful. Chaser convergence really takes the uniqueness out of chasing.

Only reason I endorsed the idea is because there's no central location to learn this stuff. Stormtrack is a great resource where you can ask questions and learn things, but the information is fragmented throughout threads. I've been all over the Internet looking at reading materials. Some of it goes over my head (University papers), some of it just is too literary for me to comprehend (I'm a visual learner), and some of it is too basic. I'd also like this for safety reasons. Perhaps there could be a way to restrict the access to only Stormtrack members?
 
I'd have to agree with Joel. But I can understand both sides of the discussion.
I have been extremely interested in extreme weather since I was 10 or 12. But Warren Faidley's book "Storm Chaser" back in 98 or so was my first read on the subject. As I was reading it I was saying to myself, "hey I do that" in some spots, and other spots I was saying "man I'd like to do that". I figured he was the only "storm chaser" there was at the time, haha. I guess two or three years ago was when I first found stormtrack, and it was my first peak into what all chasing was or had become, and I learned just how many others are interested in the same things I am. For, instance.... Mike H. had some pictures of steam devils a while back... I love those and used to photograph them on a pond at a golf course I worked at. For me chasing had always been just going to the outskirts of town to get a better look at the passing storms, like someone mentioned before, or making a bit of a trip out to a local lake to photograph some storms and lightning or out to the flat crop land along the river. I had no idea about "chaser convergences" and that folks did it for money, or that people kept count of tornadoes, etc... Or that people actually traveled here from over seas! That blew my mind. However, I do understand why.

I said all that to say this, the one thing I get asked from my family and friends after each excursion is "did you see a tornado?", so I do understand the counting tornadoes thing, and all the effort that goes into figuring out if you really did see one or not. It's just the way it is, and I wouldn't try and change that. If I kill a 10 point buck, I'm going to brag about it. A forum without all that would not last long.

For me, seeing a wall cloud like some of the ones in the "wallcoulds" thread a while back, would just thrill me. But when I relate to others what I saw and show them pictures, they say things like, "Ohhh.... nice...what the heck is a wall cloud.... you traveled 300 miles for that? Some of my family have said those exact same words almost. Most people do not understand why I do what I do. They have no concept of the depth, or motion that there is in the clouds, that anvils or on the top and wall clouds are on the bottom, they just have no clue... or that some storms actually rotate, etc.... Seeing a wall cloud is nothing more to them than seeing some other goofy cloud in the sky, cause they don't know all the mechanics of it and what is actually occurring. But a tornado is a completely different story. To them I have accomplished something if I have seen a tornado. In fact I tell others that is my goal when I go out, to see a tornado, but I am completely content just being in the presence of a nasty supercell.

As for as safety goes...
These younger chasers, if they have a true passion, it's just something they are going to do, they will find a way to do it what ever way they can. They will dig and search and discover and work at it, like I did, plenty of info out there, read and learn. And besides the unavoidable risks they will be safe because they are informed. If someone is out just for the thrill of seeing a tornado, don't know what they are doing and a tornado wraps their truck around a tree, that is just life. I hate it, but it is.
 
Guys,

Thanks for the feedback... I've been busy lately and haven't been able to reply. I apologize...

First off, yes, this "network" my friend and I had envisioned involved including tutorials, reading material, and interactivity between veteran and new chasers. I realize there are numerous locations across the WWW that include these resources, but this would be a one-stop shop, so to speak. Not including just forecast tutorials, but also advanced meteorological and weather training modules that can really educate.

If a wiki "formatted" site would be preferable, that could certainly be done.

I don't necessarily want to encourage young kids to pick up this hobby, but if they do, they'll have somewhere to go to get this information. I agree that the forums such as StormTrack and Eastern Wx can be difficult to week through. And I've found that sometimes it can even be difficult to get or find, the answers you really want.

Don't get me wrong "DSamuelson," I don't necessarily want to leave all multimedia out of the picture. Obviously, some video and photography can be very beneficial in the educational process. We both of us realize this and do not worry, photos will be featured in tutorials and such.

We just don't want a sharing/swapping/bragging network to exist. There are plenty of forums already serving that purpose, including StormTrack. We want something original and unique.

The selection process for membership, as far as we are planning, will function much in the same way StormTrack does with strict moderation occurring and may even rival that of the CDFG list. Again, neither of us want to particularly single out any group of chasers, but we do want people that are serious about their chasing habits and really seek out the safest ways of chasing.

In response to particular posts:

Matthew, I will certainly try not to let the wikipedia (if we go down that path), go into any kind of inactivity. If anything, I'll continue to contribute, myself to keep some kind of activity on-going, even through the off-season.

Christopher / James, yes... This "network" or "resource" will be for any and all chasers that are looking to teach or educate themselves. So, if you both want to contribute, I'll keep you both in mind as we go forward.

Any other ideas or discussion is welcome.

Thank you!
 
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Hey guys, I just wanted to put some input on this topic from the viewpoint of a college student that has taken a few college meteorology courses and will be chasing on the road for the first time this year.

I really think that a website like this would be helpful for the beginner-intermediate chaser. I have been highly interested in storms since I was about 10 and had to lay in a ditch at boyscout camp when there was a visible tornado about a mile away (needless to say I quit boy scouts the next week). This is my first year on the road but I will only be chasing around IL,MO,IA as I am a broke college student haha.

I have been to the NWS spotter talk and advanced spotter talk but I still feel that the information that they give is no where near enough to be considered a "trained spotter." I think a website like this could be incredibly valuable to the chasing/spotting community and could greatly increase the safety aspect of the profession. ( I like to consider an experienced chaser more of a professional than just a hobbyist) The information an experienced chaser can be way more valuable than the basics most people are getting from the NWS and I think that organizing the info would be alot easier than searching forums for countless hours.

If there is anything that I could do to get involved and help I would be more than happy to.
 
The best website for chaser education would be a plain white screen with the words "go out and chase" in big, bold, black letters.

Not to rain on anyone's parade, but this topic has been discussed and analyzed to death. There's already a ton of resources online which have stood the test of time (mostly because they were first). There's only so much pictures and words can tell you about chasing....the only way to understand it is to get out there and do it. Maybe the one thing I can contribute to the cause is this nugget: understand that you're going to fail, and you're going to suck for a while until you learn.

IMO, the influx of technology and the "overnight sensations" it's created the past few seasons seem to be convincing newbies that you can be good right out of the box, with the right schooling, website, and attentiveness. Not the case. You can go grab a **** ton of equipment, and follow radars and mesoanalysis pages straight to the storm of the day. But until you do it a lot, without the play-by-play help of technology, you're never gonna know what to do with a storm once you find it.

IMO (which I know means **** on here to many I'm addressing with this), it's better to fail on your own for a few years than to be all over every tornadic storm immediately with technology, and getting into half of them because you don't know what you're doing. Finding the storm is easy now, but there's no quick-course than can teach what to do with it once you do.
 
As far as safety is concerned, Rule 1 is to just keep your distance until you learn what you are dealing with.

I'm with Shane on this one. I was introduced to chasing by a good friend (now son-in-law) Ryan McGinnis passing along to me all three of Tim Vasquez's fine books. I'm sure I got something out of them, but you just can't learn this stuff from a book. (Heck, I even started the first StormWiki and it was a pretty good success until fighting the automated spam was more than anybody wanted to do and we threw in the towel.) I learned the most from parsing the conversations here on StormTrack and learning to read the model maps (though I feel I still have a long way to go).

But, getting back to Shane's point, there is nothing like being out there and seeing stuff you've read about or seen as lines on a map come to life. To drive south through a warm front and see/feel the difference...to sit under a supercell spread out like a pinwheel above you with bands of moisture streaming into it at different levels (drives home what you've read about helicity)... to be sitting under clear skies in Broken Bow, Nebraska and watching (on radar) a retreating dryline coming back at you from the east, while a big outflow boundary races towards it from the west and you say "I'll bet when those two meet something interesting is going to happen" (and it does almost instantly)... these things make connections in your mind that mere words on paper (or computer screen) simply cannot do (and I say this as a lover of words on paper and computer screen).

Get out there and find some storms! (And keep reading/rereading.) It will gel, assuming you don't just want it handed to you on a silver platter and are willing to keep working for it.
 
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