Dennis Sherrod
EF5
I don't think you need to go there! But, I would think you already have some experience in this area.
I don't think you need to go there! But, I would think you already have some experience in this area.
Mike Peregrine
EF5
Even this could be fabricated on upload easily enough. Filming ten seconds of a receipt or a newspaper could be blended in with any footage we take unless it is done simultaneously with the tornado in the shot. That sounds like fun.
The real solution is to have integrity and for the media to know who they are dealing with.
This is hardly just an issue that strictly involves storm chasing. Faked or misleading footage out of the Middle East has been a hot topic for years. We've likely already forgotten the examples like the ones on this site, for example. But images are still pouring out of the Middle East every day. The same will hold true for chasing ... it's just going to be a pain in the butt for the people having to deal with it for a while.
The direction is for people to turn to the Internet as their source for news and information. Lines are already blurred between media and citizen journalism. As far as tornadoes and storm chasing are concerned, storm chasers already provide what people are looking for. I think chasers should continue to become their own respectable news and information outlet and stop worrying about the other clowns.
Tim Vasquez
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I just want to thank everyone for keeping this controversial topic largely out of the mud. Our ad-hominem rules still apply and though you're welcome to discuss the person in question's work we don't want to see any value judgements or personal attacks. That can be taken to your own blogs or onto email. Thanks.
Tim
Tim
Mike Peregrine
EF5
One other example I wanted to point to in that last link I posted is really excellent concerning what we do as well. The last topic on that page shows examples of photos NOT used, which would have done a much better job of illustrating the point the media was trying to make than the ones that WERE ultimately chosen.
Think back over the last few years of the incredible tornado video that a chaser has gotten that was not used in favor of something of totally inferior quality that hardly showed anything at all about the actual event. Again, poor journalism practice. Had the right video been chosen, the public could have been much better informed as to the true nature or scale of the event. I actually feel bad for Joe Public, simply because they are at the mercy of whatever they are fed every day. Opinion is so easily swayed by misinformation in this climate.
Think back over the last few years of the incredible tornado video that a chaser has gotten that was not used in favor of something of totally inferior quality that hardly showed anything at all about the actual event. Again, poor journalism practice. Had the right video been chosen, the public could have been much better informed as to the true nature or scale of the event. I actually feel bad for Joe Public, simply because they are at the mercy of whatever they are fed every day. Opinion is so easily swayed by misinformation in this climate.
Jim Saueressig
EF5
Even if digital film footage embedded date and other such information in each of the frames there are always hacker tools to edit such information.
Tim Shriver
EF4
Maybe form a Storm Chasers Guild. A way of certifying chasers and their
work while punishing the low lives that attempt to pull something over on the
press.
Some how the chasers need to apply pressure on the offenders, provide a
means of insuring honest reporting and promote their cause.
Tim
work while punishing the low lives that attempt to pull something over on the
press.
Some how the chasers need to apply pressure on the offenders, provide a
means of insuring honest reporting and promote their cause.
Tim
Mike Peregrine
EF5
Oh boy. Can't wait to see how this one goes over. Tim, I'd like to welcome to you to the board's biggest can o' worms.
Nah - actually, several outlets already exist for this purpose and seem to be doing a fine job of providing the coverage. I really think we're on the right track -
Tim Shriver
EF4
Oh boy. Can't wait to see how this one goes over. Tim, I'd like to welcome to you to the board's biggest can o' worms.
Nah - actually, several outlets already exist for this purpose and seem to be doing a fine job of providing the coverage. I really think we're on the right track -
Leave it to a new member (like me) to do such a thing.
But if they are unable to do so, then this issue will continue
with no real way to control it.
The news media simply can not do it all the time.
Self regulation, enforcement, quality control and promotion
always works better when internal then letting the "other guy/gal" do it.
Anyways, sorry for opening the can and hope some worm
doesn't bite me in the a**...
Tim
Dan Robinson
I also thought of the newspaper idea and plan to do this from now on. On the morning of a big chase day, I plan to buy a local paper wherever I happen to be (helping to verify location/region). The only way this will work is if you step into the shot holding the newspaper, immediately after whatever event you capture on tape. Don't stop recording until you get the paper in there.
A person holding a newspaper seamlessly moving into a shot will be nearly impossible to edit in without Hollywood CGI skills and tools.
A person holding a newspaper seamlessly moving into a shot will be nearly impossible to edit in without Hollywood CGI skills and tools.
scott r currens
EF3
LOL! I think I'll let the media keep their $300.
Darrin Rasberry
You could do something like this, and not even use a paper: "This is July 15th, Darrin Rasberry chasing near ____, today Ken Hamlin extended his contract with the Dallas Cowboys." If someone tried to pull voice-over tactics it would be a bit easy to detect IMO.
Dennis Sherrod
EF5
Why not kick the crooks, thieves, and scam artists off the forum for good when they do stuff like stealing and misusing photos and videos?
Put a little more credibility back into the forum to show each other and the media we do not allow people to be a member when they commit these type of actions and crimes.
Suspensions and allowing them back at a later time does not help our positions.
We can then start maintaining and further build our contacts, credibility, and reputation.
I feel we would be much more able to get positive recognition from all involved if we are not known to allow these type people to stay or return to the forum.
A couple of bad people here hurts everyone of us and what the honest people here do.
It is just like when we go off on the Police, Firefighters, local yokels, yahoo chasers, etc. on this forum. We often make the entire group of these people look bad when in reality it is only a few.
When the preponderance of evidence is as strong as it is on this case and the other previous photo case, why are these people allowed to help bring us all down by still being allowed here?
We could say that everyone makes mistakes and some may admit their errors. Sure, forgive the action, but at the same time, part of the price they pay is to not be allowed back.
I would gather if most of us hung around people who were later involved in committing crimes such as rape, armed robbery, burglaries, illegal drug use, etc. we would probably not continue to associate with them.
Put a little more credibility back into the forum to show each other and the media we do not allow people to be a member when they commit these type of actions and crimes.
Suspensions and allowing them back at a later time does not help our positions.
We can then start maintaining and further build our contacts, credibility, and reputation.
I feel we would be much more able to get positive recognition from all involved if we are not known to allow these type people to stay or return to the forum.
A couple of bad people here hurts everyone of us and what the honest people here do.
It is just like when we go off on the Police, Firefighters, local yokels, yahoo chasers, etc. on this forum. We often make the entire group of these people look bad when in reality it is only a few.
When the preponderance of evidence is as strong as it is on this case and the other previous photo case, why are these people allowed to help bring us all down by still being allowed here?
We could say that everyone makes mistakes and some may admit their errors. Sure, forgive the action, but at the same time, part of the price they pay is to not be allowed back.
I would gather if most of us hung around people who were later involved in committing crimes such as rape, armed robbery, burglaries, illegal drug use, etc. we would probably not continue to associate with them.
MatthewCarman
I would have no problem with AndrewFabel being allowed to stay if he would atleast apologize and admit to what he did. If he is not willing to do that then he should be banned from the forums untill he does.
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Tim Vasquez
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We're not going to get involved with forming tribunals to deal with issues that take place entirely outside the forum. This is solely a discussion forum meant to serve the severe weather community. If someone is walking around with a criminal conviction that reflects badly on our discussion board, that's one thing, but we're electing to refrain from getting involved and leaving it to members to deal with the situation individually.
I think we did have some discussion about creating a chaser organization a few years ago to help set some guidelines for integrity but it didn't go over very well and I believe there wasn't much volunteer effort available.
Tim
