Price collapse or 5 dollar gas…

So for the past few years when I’ve been planning for storm chasing, I’ve been thankfully over budgeting. If I thought the price for gas would be ~3 dollars a gallon, I would budget for 3.50, thinking it would never get that high. Somehow, I’d always end up paying for the price that I thought would never get that high. So what scares me about next year, I started thinking if it was 4 dollars a gallon this summer I should budget for 5 dollars a gallon next year. However, with prices currently falling, while yet on average still higher than last year, there have been whispers of perhaps a coming price collapse on oil. One article even suggested we have small chance of seeing the return of less than 2 dollar a gallon gas. While, I am certainly not thinking this is highly likely, I thought the discussion on future gas prices may this time be interesting (i.e. maybe we will not all be forecasting the price to keep going up).

While I don’t think this is likely, looking back I could see this as marginally possible. Why? Well, consumers have changed their driving habits. Using myself as an example, unless it’s a long distance trip, I now drive a scooter everywhere. Combined with the possible economic slow down, this might slow oil demand globally.

So what is your take on the situation? I’ll still likely be over budgeting, but it would sure be nice to be chasing the plains with gas prices back when I started chasing, only six years ago.

:O Well the national average finally went below $2. I'm completely amazed in about a month and half since when I thought that $2 gas was nearly impossible, today I actually filled up for $1.97. Still skeptical as to whether we won't soon see the high prices return, given that I've heard of forecast for a pricel per barrel reaching ~$110 next year. Either way, I'm amazed!
 
Unless the economy really, really rebounds, I don't think we'll see oil that high for a long time. Oil was a bubble that went from $40 a barrel to $150 a barrel in less than two years; the bubble's burst back down to realityville. Right now, the world economy is basically a coin flip; heads, we have a deep recession, tails we have a period of global economic depression that rivals the 30's, only now everyone has advanced weaponry. I don't see how oil can rebound to anything near what it was, barring some sort of massive supply-disrupting war.
 
The price keeps dropping. I took this image with my cell phone evening. It's nice just before Thanksgiving. Still not as good as in MO.

Bill Hark

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Last report in Wheatland, Wyoming:

$1.12/gallon ... across the street, $1.13/gallon. :)
 
Just read an article off Drudge Report where Merrill Lynch is predicting oil prices to sink to 25 a barrell, and another article predicting 1 dollar a gallon gas sometime next year :eek::D
 
Hi Chaser!

What is the price situation on the Central USA?
 
From a road congestion standpoint, I think we should reall hope for $3+ gas. Yes it sucks, but with Vortex2 and the renewed interest in the hobby thanks to TV shows, I think expensive gas is about the only thing that will keep the crowds manageable.
 
From a road congestion standpoint, I think we should reall hope for $3+ gas. Yes it sucks, but with Vortex2 and the renewed interest in the hobby thanks to TV shows, I think expensive gas is about the only thing that will keep the crowds manageable.

To some degree....but when "that show" hits network TV, I'm sure there will be enough folks with high levels of funding that will make the trip regardless.

Price wise, it's still around $1.60+/- around my house. But lower in DC and Bethesda, it still $2.00+. They sure do know how to stick it to the rich....unless your poor and in that area to fill up.....then it sucks.
 
Pretty weird. It has been holding fairly steady at about $1.37. But the last day and a half it has jumped 22 cents.
But I can't really complain. I went out chasing storms today. Ran a whole tank. Sure was nice to only cost $22.50 to fill up.
 
Long post, but an important one...

Here is what I think will happen: The price of oil/gas will wobble around for a bit. It will go up with Middle East tension and war and will go down when things settle down there. It will go up a little if there is a small Dow jump and the price will go down when that jump reverses. Then sometime next year - possibly late spring or during the summer sometime - the dollar will tank. This will be caused by one or more factors:

The $trillions pumped into the banks will need to be printed. It won't be created by commerce. So that will put downward pressure on the dollar.

The USA very well my default on its debt in 2009. That would be devastating to our economy and the value of the dollar. If that happens, China, the Middle East and Japan will quickly try to dump their USA debt. This will cause further pressue on the dollar and will basically finish what is left of our economy.

The world's oil producers will probably change the currency that oil is traded in to the Euro or even a new regional currency (Middle East). Right now oil is traded in dollars. So when the dollar goes down, oil goes up. When the dollar goes up, the price of oil goes down, generally speaking. If oil is traded in Euros for example because the dollar crashed, that will cause oil to skyrocket for us because the dollar will be losing value relative to the Euro.

I think 2009 is going to be a very grim year for the country. It may take decades for us to recover, if we ever do. Our government has sold our future and our future is now.

Dollar threats:
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article8031.html

Stages of Collapse

Stage 1: Financial collapse. Faith in "business as usual" is lost. The future is no longer assumed resemble the past in any way that allows risk to be assessed and financial assets to be guaranteed. Financial institutions become insolvent; savings are wiped out, and access to capital is lost.

Stage 2: Commercial collapse. Faith that "the market shall provide" is lost. Money is devalued and/or becomes scarce, commodities are hoarded, import and retail chains break down, and widespread shortages of survival necessities become the norm.

Stage 3: Political collapse. Faith that "the government will take care of you" is lost. As official attempts to mitigate widespread loss of access to commercial sources of survival necessities fail to make a difference, the political establishment loses legitimacy and relevance.

Stage 4: Social collapse. Faith that "your people will take care of you" is lost. As local social institutions, be they charities, community leaders, or other groups that rush in to fill the power vacuum, run out of resources or fail through internal conflict.

Stage 5: Cultural collapse. Faith in the goodness of humanity is lost. People lose their capacity for "kindness, generosity, consideration, affection, honesty, hospitality, compassion, charity" (Turnbull, The Mountain People). Families disband and compete as individuals for scarce resources. The new motto becomes "May you die today so that I die tomorrow" (Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago). There may even be some cannibalism.

http://www.energybulletin.net/node/40919

We are in stage 2 and quickly heading to stage 3.

Orlov 2 days before Christmas, from his website cluborlov:

I haven't been posting of late, mostly because I feel that my job is more or less done. I called it as I saw it, and, unfortunately, I seem to have called it correctly. The US is collapsing before our eyes. Stage 1 collapse is very advanced now; stages 2 and 3 are picking up momentum. I might have more to say later.

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article8082.html
 
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