Piss Poor Media near Hutchinson Today

[Drew.Gardonia]

For the record, 'Tornado Tim' Baker is not 'Camaro Dude'.

ok now I'm confused?

who was the guy that ended up driving his car into a real low lying area, and had all the debris flying over the hood of his car, and had the video on TWC?


and the camaro dude driving 115 was a moron, who shoulda been arrested for public endangerment or something like that.

 

[Drew.Gardonia]

YBR= Yellow Brick Road

BTW, there is no such thing as PDS Warning only a Watch and they are issued by the SPC and not the NWS.

that's kinda strange though that it's not a warning, because the times I've seen a PDS issued by SPC, all hell has broken loose and major tornado outbreaks have occurred. but thanks for the correction.

this young grasshoppa still has much to learn.

 

[Jake Wallentine]

Kevin Rider and I were also on this storm for most of its life. We were also listening to KFDI(101.3). We're both from the ICT area(both live on the west side)...and I even went to school in Goddard, so we know the road system pretty well around that area. Anyway, we were 3-5 miles ESE side of the meso to this supercell once we caught up to it near the Mount Hope area and stayed in that position relative to the storm until we decided to jet down to the south HP beast in Sumner CO. Never once when we were on the storm did it look remotely "threatening" as far as a a tornado threat goes...to us it was far too high based...and you could tell it really wanted to shelf out and become outflow dominant. It was probably still good it was tor warned though. There was some broad rotation and maybe a couple VERY short lived and high based funnels assoicated with the unimpressive wall cloud as it moved through sedwick CO; however, we never saw any funnels reaching halfway to the ground or rapid rotation within a low hanging wall cloud like that spotter was reporting. We too had the reaction of "wait...where the heck is this guy looking?...we should be looking right at this and we can't see anything." Anyway, was relieved to see we weren't the only ones who were questioning some of those reports.

 

[Jason Foster]

I'm not a moderator, but using names as was demonstrated doesn't seem like the right way to go about it....and it certainly should not be done unless you know for sure who it is. I called into question who it might be to see if any did know of this person in the Camaro (in the other thread), but never would I or anyone else try to call out a name unless they are very sure who it is....you can get into serious trouble for calling out the wrong person.

 

[Drew.Gardonia]

Kevin Rider and I were also on this storm for most of its life. We were also listening to KFDI(101.3). We're both from the ICT area(both live on the west side)...and I even went to school in Goddard, so we know the road system pretty well around that area. Anyway, we were 3-5 miles ESE side of the meso to this supercell once we caught up to it near the Mount Hope area and stayed in that position relative to the storm until we decided to jet down to the south HP beast in Sumner CO. Never once when we were on the storm did it look remotely "threatening" as far as a a tornado threat goes...to us it was far too high based...and you could tell it really wanted to shelf out and become outflow dominant. It was probably still good it was tor warned though. There was some broad rotation and maybe a couple VERY short lived and high based funnels assoicated with the unimpressive wall cloud as it moved through sedwick CO; however, we never saw any funnels reaching halfway to the ground or rapid rotation within a low hanging wall cloud like that spotter was reporting. We too had the reaction of "wait...where the heck is this guy looking?...we should be looking right at this and we can't see anything." Anyway, was relieved to see we weren't the only ones who were questioning some of those reports.

I'm sure glad someone doesn't thing Steve and I were crazy.

I'm not a moderator, but using names as was demonstrated doesn't seem like the right way to go about it....and it certainly should not be done unless you know for sure who it is. I called into question who it might be to see if any did know of this person in the Camaro (in the other thread), but never would I or anyone else try to call out a name unless they are very sure who it is....you can get into serious trouble for calling out the wrong person.

not to be an ass, but what's really going to happen because I called someone a liar? I'm so scared.

If they'd like to show me video of what they claimed they saw, with this "rapid rotation" and funnel clouds "almost" to the ground...then I'd be glad to retract my statement and issue an apology.

I may be new at storm chasing, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know what "rapid rotation" is and what a funnel cloud that is "almost" to the ground, of which NONE was the case. This storm had weak rotation, and very high based and extremely brief funnel development, and very minor lowering of which none of it was anywhere near the ground.

Kelly (Blank last name because I don't know his last name) the stormchaser who called into 101.3 during the first storm over Hutchinson from the Hutchinson area, is a liar in my opinion, and I think he perhaps got just a little too over excited, and because he "wanted" desperately to see something, decided to report what he wanted to see, rather than what he really was seeing and in term induced the sirens being sounded, which in turn caused an unnecessary public panic. It's all too apparent he needs more spotter training. Which is pretty sad, because I have yet to attend a spotter training course (going Thursday of this week), and I know for a fact of what I saw with my own 2 eyes, was not what was being reported.

 

[Chris Allington]

not to be an ass, but what's really going to happen because I called someone a liar? I'm so scared.

If they'd like to show me video of what they claimed they saw, with this "rapid rotation" and funnel clouds "almost" to the ground...then I'd be glad to retract my statement and issue an apology.

I may be new at storm chasing, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know what "rapid rotation" is and what a funnel cloud that is "almost" to the ground, of which NONE was the case. This storm had weak rotation, and very high based and extremely brief funnel development, and very minor lowering of which none of it was anywhere near the ground.

Kelly (Blank last name because I don't know his last name) the stormchaser who called into 101.3 during the first storm over Hutchinson from the Hutchinson area, is a liar in my opinion, and I think he perhaps got just a little too over excited, and because he "wanted" desperately to see something, decided to report what he wanted to see, rather than what he really was seeing and in term induced the sirens being sounded, which in turn caused an unnecessary public panic. It's all too apparent he needs more spotter training. Which is pretty sad, because I have yet to attend a spotter training course (going Thursday of this week), and I know for a fact of what I saw with my own 2 eyes, was not what was being reported.

I am pretty sure Jason was referring to you thinking the Camero dude was 'Tornado Tim' which it in fact was not... not the situation involving the spotters in the Hutchinson area. If you just want to keep flaming away at people that are trying to help you out, thats fine.

 

[Drew.Gardonia]

I am pretty sure Jason was referring to you thinking the Camero dude was 'Tornado Tim' which it in fact was not... not the situation involving the spotters in the Hutchinson area.

ahh, i missed on that. sorry, my bad.

 

[Austin Funderburgh]

that's kinda strange though that it's not a warning, because the times I've seen a PDS issued by SPC, all hell has broken loose and major tornado outbreaks have occurred. but thanks for the correction.

this young grasshoppa still has much to learn.

A tornado watch is issued (by the SPC in Norman) when conditions are favorable for tornadic development. They're issued on a larger scale and often before convective development.

A tornado warning is issued (by a local NWS office) when a tornado is occurring or has been detected by radar. They're issued storm by storm.

That said, a PDS tornado watch is like a tornado watch on steroids. Usually issued when conditions are favorable for a large number of tornadoes and possibly strong tornadoes.

A "PDS warning" somewhat coincides with a tornado emergency which (correct me if I'm wrong) can only be decerned from the actual warning text. It's intended to be used when a large tornado is on the ground moving toward a populated area (this is a whole different debate though).

Anywhoo, sorry to be so basic but I try not to assume what anyone is or isn't already familiar with. Just remember that in the weather world a warning is not issued in advance of an event, it's issued during a specific, small-scale event.

As for the real topic of interest, I got on this storm late just as it was approaching Goddard and, as we all seem to agree, didn't see a real tornado threat. And I also heard the reports that certainly seemed uncalled for. As Jake said, the warning was warranted, but I also look down upon any media sensationalism during a potentially dangerous situation.

 

[Darrin Rasberry]

A "PDS warning" somewhat coincides with a tornado emergency which (correct me if I'm wrong) can only be decerned from the actual warning text. It's intended to be used when a large tornado is on the ground moving toward a populated area (this is a whole different debate though).

Dunno if I've ever seen something called a "PDS warning," although DMX, who does not use TE's, issued an "extremely dangerous and life threatening situation" warning-wording for Parkersburg. (LTS warning?!? )

 

[Tim Vasquez]

(Retitling the thread from "spotters" to "media" since this clearly is not a spotter.)

Tim

 

[Steve Worthington]

I am pretty sure Jason was referring to you thinking the Camero dude was 'Tornado Tim' which it in fact was not... not the situation involving the spotters in the Hutchinson area. If you just want to keep flaming away at people that are trying to help you out, thats fine.

Ok First off I`m the one that made the 'Tornado Tim' comment.
I saw on TWC they were saying this guy in the Camaro called himself 'Tornado Tim'
No disrespect to anyone not even the guy in the Camaro I was just making a funny as I have 2 kick a$$ Camaros that can hit well over 115mph...lol... I was just joking around with my comment. I didn't know there was a real spotter or chaser named 'Tornado Tim' just like most never knew I was out there till now.
I`ve been a chaser since 1992 but I have been low profile till this season.
I only used the name 'Tornado Tim' because that`s what they called the guy in the Camaro and like I said I have to really fast Camaros. Someone should let TWC know this guy in the Camaro is not the real chaser that calls him self 'Tornado Tim'

Here are my 2 Camaros so you will understand my joke....

Now will the real 'Tornado Tim' please Stand Up?
I would like to tell the REAL 'Tornado Tim' Sorry!!!!
I blame it on TWC for using the wrong name
Steve

I just went and looked on TWC and they have taken down the camaro dued video

 

[Drew.Gardonia]

(Retitling the thread from "spotters" to "media" since this clearly is not a spotter.)

Tim

Well the radio station called them spotters.

Kelly was Spotter #22 according to the radio station.

but it's all good.

 

[Robert Edmonds]

Since this the thread is renamed to media spotters, I have to say chasers with "ch# storm chaser" written on the side of their vehicle were awful on this day. I repeatedly came across these chasers, who could not for the life of them pull off to the side of the road. Just cause you work for a news network doesn't give you a pass to whatever the heck you want.

 

[Mike Johnston]

Well the radio station called them spotters.

Kelly was Spotter #22 according to the radio station.

but it's all good.

FYI, KFDI has been deploying their own in-house team of storm spotters since at least the early 1970's, if not earlier. I know they used to refer to them as, eg. "mobile unit #7", etc. I can't speak to your evaluation of the specific guy you're criticizing, but KFDI has provided live, mobile storm coverage to the Wichita area for a long, long time and has a loyal, faithful following.

 

[Kyle Soldani]

Well you've got to realize, a ton of people out there can mistake a scud from a shelf cloud as a tornado. I'm basically the only storm chaser at school, and just about everybody knows. Anytime there's a hint of severe weather outside, people come screaming TORNADO!! and asking me if it is a tornado, always a scud.

I don't listen to media unless it's a chase team from a television station. Even still, I listen to NOAA and Skywarn with my scanner over all that other stuff.

Steve, I love the camaro's. We've got a '72 Z28 355.