New Texas Law - No Wireless in School Zones

[Jason Foster]

Because the government telling us what to do is really what we want? Personally I would rather they leave the decision up to me on whether or not I'd like to be reckless. If I caused injuries in an accident, though, I would expect there to be some pretty harsh penalties.

It isn't about government telling you what to do, as much as it is about the government protecting the children, teachers, parents from people like you (well, offenders) from taking a life, because liability exists. Also, it is freedom to live that trumps your freedom to use electronics. I'd say yes, the government has every right to dictate such a law....and I think it should include chasers, not exempt. If you don't violate the law, then there isn't any problem right. Do we really need to bring the thread about speeding back to discuss this!

 

[Sean Mullen]

Because the government telling us what to do is really what we want? Personally I would rather they leave the decision up to me on whether or not I'd like to be reckless. If I caused injuries in an accident, though, I would expect there to be some pretty harsh penalties.

If you caused injuries in an accident, Ben, I would expect there to be some pretty harsh penalties, too-those inflicted upon those people killed or maimed by your recklessness. I doubt that anything meted out by the courts would compare. And you would pay for lifetime care for a paralyzed or brain-damaged victim, who can no longer support a family? Chances are, not. Your insurance company, or theirs, would. And governmental agencies. And so the rest of us end up paying for it.

Just so it's clear, Ben, I'm not attacking you personally-I have no idea if you drive recklessly or not. I'm just framing a reply to the last two sentances in your post.

Unfortunately, the law that we're all subject to out there is the law of unintended consequences.

Keep the faith
Sean

 

[Daniel Beuchert]

In Chicago, IL they already passed that law. There is a big hoopla regarding Amateur Radio Ops however and whether or not they can stop a licensed op from using their radio since it is not hands free. I guess they recently made an amendment stating that you must have HAM radio license plates in order for it to be okay. Those are expensive. I got stopped in the loop at an intersection, during a red light because I picked up the mic and made a contact while in the city. The officer walked over to me and told me to pull around the corner. I asked what i did wrong and he said I was not using a hands free device.(instant $200 fine). I about snarked in my pants. I preceeded to tell him I was a HAM op and a local ARES member. He pretty much blew it off. I showed him my FCC license and IDs and he said to take it up with the judge. So I did. It got tossed out but I lost a day of work because of it. I understand where they are coming from, but does it have to be that extreme? Seriously?

I'm looking at this as an avid CB user, and my cell phone bluetooth is networked through my CB and wondering about this being too far too. I have nothing against someone texting or with a phone glued to their sholder getting a fine in a school zone (I've nearly been killed trying to pull into my school by someone running a red), but come on, there's gotta be some common sense in legislation and enforcement. I'm glad that got thrown out for you.

Piggy backing onto Ben's comment, and the ones after that ... if you make consequences of being dumb and driving recklessly or distracted (of which there are already laws everywhere for), people would stop doing it, just as if a new law were passed (possibly more so). For example, to an extreme, if you shot everyone's foot off who drove drunk, less would do it.

I just wonder why the laws that are already on the books and that cover distracted driving aren't used like they should be ... and instead more laws to specifically point out cell phones are used. If you're driving distracted, you are already breaking the law - just enforce that one.

 

[Drew.Gardonia]

Because the government telling us what to do is really what we want? Personally I would rather they leave the decision up to me on whether or not I'd like to be reckless. If I caused injuries in an accident, though, I would expect there to be some pretty harsh penalties.

unfortunately people are too ignorant to figure it out for themselves what they should and shouldn't be doing while driving a vehicle, so the government has to do it for us because the average person is nothing more than a 5 year old in an adult body who needs to be told what to do.

LACK OF COMMON SENSE IN SOCIETY = GOVERNMENT STEPPING IN.

drivers should be focused on the road, paying attention to their rearview mirrors, sideview mirrors and what's in front of them, NOT TRYING TO TALK ON THE DAMN PHONE WHILE DRIVING, not putting on makeup, not texting, not digging around in the backseat with one hand while looking over their shoulder, and trying to drive at the same time, not brushing their hair.

if you need to talk, pull off at the nearest exit, and into a parking lot, make your phone call, then resume driving after you have completed your call.

People are too lazy to pull it over and be safe for themselves and for the other drivers on the road. And IMO, if cops see anyone driving while distracted, they should pull 'em over, and give them a reckless driving ticket, and it should count 6 points against their license, non-amendable, no questions asked.

Driving is dangerous enough as it is without people driving while distracted. Why should we allow it to become even more dangerous by letting idiots talk on cell phones/radio devices while driving?

It isn't about government telling you what to do, as much as it is about the government protecting the children, teachers, parents from people like you (well, offenders) from taking a life, because liability exists. Also, it is freedom to live that trumps your freedom to use electronics. I'd say yes, the government has every right to dictate such a law....and I think it should include chasers, not exempt. If you don't violate the law, then there isn't any problem right. Do we really need to bring the thread about speeding back to discuss this!

well spoke Jason.

 

[Ric Burney]

Even though Sept 1 brought tougher laws in TX against cell phone use (in school zones) it could get a lot tougher in regard to all electronic distractions on a national level:
http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/d...ries/wfaa090906_mo_tougherlaws.15597a9d3.html

 

[Brent Willcox]

Here's the actual text of the Texas bill in case anyone is interested.

http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/81R/billtext/pdf/HB00055F.pdf

e) This section does not apply to:
(1) an operator of an authorized emergency vehicle
using a wireless communication device while acting in an official
capacity; or
(2) an operator who is licensed by the Federal
Communications Commission while operating a radio frequency device
other than a wireless communication device.
(f) This section preempts all local ordinances, rules, or
regulations that are inconsistent with specific provisions of this
section adopted by a political subdivision of this state relating
to the use of a wireless communication device by the operator of a
motor vehicle.

F was good because a few of the municipalities here in Denton County were banning ANY communications device in their laws. Not a good thing when you are driving a rolling porcupine like a few of my peers.

Brent
KD5WYU/WQKG749 (HA/ZA)

 

[David Drummond]

I don't see why anyone would have an issue with the law. I mean, how long are most school zones...a couple of blocks? What could possibly be so important it can't wait 2 minutes for a person to put their phone down, pass through the school zone and pick it back up?

 

[Lee Kuhlman]

You forgot about the one that annoys me the most. SMOKING while driving. You don't see any bans on that. Couple that with the phone and makeup. I've seen it during drive time in the morning.

drivers should be focused on the road, paying attention to their rearview mirrors, sideview mirrors and what's in front of them, NOT TRYING TO TALK ON THE DAMN PHONE WHILE DRIVING, not putting on makeup, not texting, not digging around in the backseat with one hand while looking over their shoulder, and trying to drive at the same time, not brushing their hair.

if you need to talk, pull off at the nearest exit, and into a parking lot, make your phone call, then resume driving after you have completed your call.

 

[Jay McCoy]

I don't see why anyone would have an issue with the law. I mean, how long are most school zones...a couple of blocks? What could possibly be so important it can't wait 2 minutes for a person to put their phone down, pass through the school zone and pick it back up?

Not to mention the fact that the law is effect only during school hours which is about 745am to 4pm not 24/7/365

Schools are out and the school zones return to nomal zones by 4pm daily and school is out by the end of May. Plus most school zones are in residnetial areas not main roads/highways. The odds of even being in a school zone chasing before 4pm is low. Not to mention the fact if there is severe wx affecting the area your in people are going to be more worried about that than whether your on a phone calling it in.

 

[Steven Gliebe]

I don't see why anyone would have an issue with the law. I mean, how long are most school zones...a couple of blocks?

I agree. And you have to slow down to 20 MPH in the school zones anyway. If you are on your phone, you're probably going to miss that and get a $300 speeding ticket anyway.

I can't wait until all cell phone use is banned while driving, everywhere.

 

[David Drummond]

I agree. And you have to slow down to 20 MPH in the school zones anyway. If you are on your phone, you're probably going to miss that and get a $300 speeding ticket anyway.

I can't wait until all cell phone use is banned while driving, everywhere.

I'd like to see everyone have a law where you had to use a hands free device with a cell phone all the time. The other day I went to the store and nearly had two accidents on the way and another driver nearly run me over while I was walking in the parking lot. In all 3 cases it was due to the other drivers not paying attention because they were on their cell phone.

Then I got to thinking about near accidents I had had in the last 2 or 3 years, and in every case I recall seeing a cell phone to the head.

My new chase van has a built in hands free bluetooth device in the audio system and I LOVE it and won't ever have a cell to my face in my vehicle again.

 

[rdale]

Most studies show you are just as inattentive on hands-free as you are with the phone to your ear. In either way, must of your thoughts are on the conversation. It's not holding the phone that causes a problem, I don't think most people have two hands on the steering wheel all the time regardless.

 

[David Drummond]

I suppose that's possible, but my own "studies" via personal experience show that every time I've nearly gotten smashed by someone else they had a cellphone in their face.

I propose that everyone reading this thread, start taking mental note, when you see someone doing some idiot driving, not if they have a cell phone to their face. You might be amazed.

 

[Robert Dewey]

Most studies show you are just as inattentive on hands-free as you are with the phone to your ear. In either way, must of your thoughts are on the conversation. It's not holding the phone that causes a problem, I don't think most people have two hands on the steering wheel all the time regardless.

I have to agree with this. People frequently drive with only one hand (whether you're driving a stick shift, holding a drink, etc) without problems. The minute your attention is forced on something else -- such as a "forced" one-to-one communication -- you're asking for trouble. Talking on the phone (hands-free or otherwise) is different than conversing in your vehicle. For one, your passengers are usually considerate to the driving conditions, and generally know when to shut-up. Second, you're able to pause your conversation while making critical driving decisions, and your passengers will understand; this disruption of flow isn't easily conveyed via phone or other non-visual communication... hence you may continue to divert your attention to the conversation at an inappropriate time (i.e. lane changes, turns, etc).

That's just my own experiences talking, so it could be different for others.

 

[Steven Gliebe]

I often miss my exits when I'm talking to a passenger (listening seems less distracting). I could only guess that I'd be at least as distracted talking hands-free on the phone. I bet I'm not the only one.

Good point about passengers in the car knowing when to be quiet depending on the driving situation. When somebody cuts you off or you start driving on the dots, they quiet down.