My YouTube Account, Historic Tornado Videos

[Joey Ketcham]

I watched all of the videos he posted to make sure nothing of mine were in any of the videos, I noticed that obviously he’s done nothing to remove any of the copyright content that he ripped off. Most of everything I saw on there that he ripped off was from storm chasers who are also members here on ST, I even saw some of Tony Laubach’s stuff in one of the video’s.

I’m sure his ISP wouldn’t be too happy that one of their users is stealing copyright material; I’m sure that copyright infringement is against his ISP’s policies. If we could find out who his ISP is, I’m sure a quick email to them would probably do some justice. Most ISP’s have very strict rules against copyright infringement and are very quick to respond.

 

[Craig Maire II]

YouTube Account, Historic Tornado Videos

I'm highly dissapointed that none of my pics or videos were grabbed and used! Come on I've got some good stuff to! Now on a more serious note, I too now would like to condemn this obvious theft of fellow chasers work and hope this can be resolved in a smooth and timely fashion.

 

[David Drummond]

I kinda understand the average joe doing this and not publicizing it. What I will never understand is those that steal our work, and then come HERE to brag about it. I just can't get my mind around that line of thinking.

It the Youtube world, what you guys are doing with the comments, is the way to go until you can get action from YouTube. Public humiliation is an effective tool there.

 

[Joey Ketcham]

I found an email on youtube's site to report copyright infringement, I sent them an email yesterday about it.. hopefully something gets done about it today.

 

[Bob Hartig]

So far the emphasis of this thread has been the blatant infringement of copyright. I'd now like to offer a different perspective, and as I do, please bear in mind that I'm by no means condoning the sidestepping of permissions. Moreover, I'm well aware that I'm addressing people whose videographies and the quality thereof easily outstrip anything I've got to show. Your concern to protect your work is understandable, as are the sentiments you've expressed.

That being said, I want to point out that you're dealing with a kid, and the very nature of his posting suggests that he didn't have a clue. Jeff Miller set out to correct that, and Jordan reacted very inappropriately. I'm not excusing that--but again, he's a kid, and none of us know his story. My guess is, he wanted very much to become a part of the storm chasing community, and he offered something he thought folks here would enjoy, never suspecting the implications of his action. I mean, who on earth would knowingly and willfully do something guaranteed to deeply offend a group one wants to fit in with?

Willful disregard of copyright is one thing, but ignorance in itself isn't a character flaw. I think Jordan just didn't know. Now he does. His material has been deleted from YouTube, or at least, I'm assuming it has. Maybe now it's time to make room for the human factor. Jordan sought out this community for a reason. He could have done far worse, or at least I'd like to think he could have. I remember what it was like to be a teenager, trying to find my way. It wasn't easy. In fact, it was often very painful and confusing. Adults who not only took an interest in the same things I was passionate about, but who also took an interest in me, made a big difference in my life.

Again, I'm not condoning Jordan's actions or his response to Jeff, who I think offered good input in the right spirit. However, looking at the progression in this thread from reason to outrage and castigation of an immature kid, I want to address the heart of this community and ask whether, in protecting your personal interests, a gentler hand couldn't have accomplished the same goal while conceivably having a more redemptive effect. I wonder if it still couldn't.

 

[Eric Flescher]

Plagarism really elevated when cpu speed and the internet came on full force

I agree particularly with this part (from below)

"My guess is, he wanted very much to become a part of the storm chasing community, and he offered something he thought folks here would enjoy, never suspecting the implications of his action. "

As an educator I have been dealing with plagirism for a long time. Still try to tell students how and when not even when with kids in my earth-space computer course in the summers (now in 12th year).

All points are well taken. The line has been drawn and should continue to be drawn. I hope this young guy will have learned from this thread and will make his own real movies and presentations with appropriate permissions , bibliographies and more.


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So far the emphasis of this thread has been the blatant infringement of copyright. I'd now like to offer a different perspective, and as I do, please bear in mind that I'm by no means condoning the sidestepping of permissions. Moreover, I'm well aware that I'm addressing people whose videographies and the quality thereof easily outstrip anything I've got to show. Your concern to protect your work is understandable, as are the sentiments you've expressed.

That being said, I want to point out that you're dealing with a kid, and the very nature of his posting suggests that he didn't have a clue. Jeff Miller set out to correct that, and Jordan reacted very inappropriately. I'm not excusing that--but again, he's a kid, and none of us know his story. My guess is, he wanted very much to become a part of the storm chasing community, and he offered something he thought folks here would enjoy, never suspecting the implications of his action. I mean, who on earth would knowingly and willfully do something guaranteed to deeply offend a group one wants to fit in with?

Willful disregard of copyright is one thing, but ignorance in itself isn't a character flaw. I think Jordan just didn't know. Now he does. His material has been deleted from YouTube, or at least, I'm assuming it has. Maybe now it's time to make room for the human factor. Jordan sought out this community for a reason. He could have done far worse, or at least I'd like to think he could have. I remember what it was like to be a teenager, trying to find my way. It wasn't easy. In fact, it was often very painful and confusing. Adults who not only took an interest in the same things I was passionate about, but who also took an interest in me, made a big difference in my life.

Again, I'm not condoning Jordan's actions or his response to Jeff, who I think offered good input in the right spirit. However, looking at the progression in this thread from reason to outrage and castigation of an immature kid, I want to address the heart of this community and ask whether, in protecting your personal interests, a gentler hand couldn't have accomplished the same goal while conceivably having a more redemptive effect. I wonder if it still couldn't.

 

[Joey Ketcham]

So far the emphasis of this thread has been the blatant infringement of copyright. I'd now like to offer a different perspective, and as I do, please bear in mind that I'm by no means condoning the sidestepping of permissions. Moreover, I'm well aware that I'm addressing people whose videographies and the quality thereof easily outstrip anything I've got to show. Your concern to protect your work is understandable, as are the sentiments you've expressed.

That being said, I want to point out that you're dealing with a kid, and the very nature of his posting suggests that he didn't have a clue. Jeff Miller set out to correct that, and Jordan reacted very inappropriately. I'm not excusing that--but again, he's a kid, and none of us know his story. My guess is, he wanted very much to become a part of the storm chasing community, and he offered something he thought folks here would enjoy, never suspecting the implications of his action. I mean, who on earth would knowingly and willfully do something guaranteed to deeply offend a group one wants to fit in with?

Willful disregard of copyright is one thing, but ignorance in itself isn't a character flaw. I think Jordan just didn't know. Now he does. His material has been deleted from YouTube, or at least, I'm assuming it has. Maybe now it's time to make room for the human factor. Jordan sought out this community for a reason. He could have done far worse, or at least I'd like to think he could have. I remember what it was like to be a teenager, trying to find my way. It wasn't easy. In fact, it was often very painful and confusing. Adults who not only took an interest in the same things I was passionate about, but who also took an interest in me, made a big difference in my life.

Again, I'm not condoning Jordan's actions or his response to Jeff, who I think offered good input in the right spirit. However, looking at the progression in this thread from reason to outrage and castigation of an immature kid, I want to address the heart of this community and ask whether, in protecting your personal interests, a gentler hand couldn't have accomplished the same goal while conceivably having a more redemptive effect. I wonder if it still couldn't.

Bob,

I can sort of see where you're coming from, but ignorance of the law doesn't protect someone who breaks the law. He is young, but he is 17 and I would hope that someone of that age would know that they can't take something that is copyrighted and republish it without obtaining permission.

The other thing to factor in is that he was informed that what he did was wrong and people even gave him a chance to remove the videos, even then - at least as of last night - the videos were still up and he had made no effort to remove the videos. I think if he simply removed the videos and apologized when Jeff pointed out to him that what he did was wrong then things wouldn't have gotten this far.

 

[Dave Gallaher]

Frankly, I hope Jordan will step up and post an apology here (if he's still allowed to post). That, along with the removal of plagiarized imagery, would be a mature step in the right direction and might lead to some PM's between him and the affected ST members. IIRC, his initial posts here regarded historical tornadoes in his home state that he was researching, so his interest seems to have been sincere.

Copyright infringement and unauthorized use are huge and personal issues to me. I've recently discovered that Polydor Records has included a track from one of my albums in an historical blues box set released in Europe, for which there has been neither authorization nor payment. This is a worldwide entertainment corporation, and my chance of getting anything out of it (beyond huge legal bills) is miniscule.

It isn't the first time, and probably not the last. But I see this as very different from the mistake made by a student. I assume that Jordan's attention has been fully engaged, and I hope he will show the maturity to step up and make an apology.

 

[Bob Hartig]

Frankly, I hope Jordan will step up and post an apology here (if he's still allowed to post). That, along with the removal of plagiarized imagery, would be a mature step in the right direction and might lead to some PM's between him and the affected ST members. IIRC, his initial posts here regarded historical tornadoes in his home state that he was researching, so his interest seems to have been sincere.

I agree. I think Jordan made a well-intentioned mistake in good faith. But, particularly in light of what Joey Ketcham has pointed out, it's now up to him to step up to the plate with a sincere apology, particularly considering his reaction to Jeff Miller's post. Jordan isn't too young to do a little soul-searching in light of what he has experienced here, and an earnest apology should go a long way to help him gain the respect, rather than the disfavor, of this community.

Jordan's membership is suspended, so I doubt he can post. But I hope he will take the steps necessary to set things right. My guess is, he could start by writing a letter of general apology and emailing it to a site administrator, with a request that it be approved and posted. Jordan, if you read this, I hope you'll follow through. Doing so will take character and maturity, and I think most folks here will recognize that and respect it.

 

[Melissa Moon]

He may have left the videos up there on youtube out of spite...if he felt that people were being too harsh on him, it may have caused him to become angry to the point of thinking "well forget them...whatever" and just left them up. I think that if he apologizes (it sounded to me like an honest mistake though he reacted quite startlingly) he ought to be able to have his account back.

 

[Doug_Kiesling]

Yeah - Liveleak, Break, MetaCafe, Ebaumsworld, Ifilm, etc (there are dozens of those viral video sites) are bad about taking stuff. I'm always having to check up on those sites. They make good ad revenue from all the content they use too, some of them are grossing over $1 million a year. A lot of them are paying the submitter $400 for each video if it makes their home page. As such, those guys don't get a little DMCA notice from me - I just send a screen capture to my attorney and they'll have to deal with him.

I agree with Dan, the only money left in chasing unless you get a production crew to follow you around and make your life heck during May and June trying to document your every move while chasing, is the copyright violations.

I just looked at Live Link for hurricane footage and this Nebraska stuff came up again.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=394_1179946738

 

[David Drummond]

So far the emphasis of this thread has been the blatant infringement of copyright. I'd now like to offer a different perspective, and as I do, please bear in mind that I'm by no means condoning the sidestepping of permissions. Moreover, I'm well aware that I'm addressing people whose videographies and the quality thereof easily outstrip anything I've got to show. Your concern to protect your work is understandable, as are the sentiments you've expressed.

That being said, I want to point out that you're dealing with a kid, and the very nature of his posting suggests that he didn't have a clue. Jeff Miller set out to correct that, and Jordan reacted very inappropriately. I'm not excusing that--but again, he's a kid, and none of us know his story. My guess is, he wanted very much to become a part of the storm chasing community, and he offered something he thought folks here would enjoy, never suspecting the implications of his action. I mean, who on earth would knowingly and willfully do something guaranteed to deeply offend a group one wants to fit in with?

Willful disregard of copyright is one thing, but ignorance in itself isn't a character flaw. I think Jordan just didn't know. Now he does. His material has been deleted from YouTube, or at least, I'm assuming it has. Maybe now it's time to make room for the human factor. Jordan sought out this community for a reason. He could have done far worse, or at least I'd like to think he could have. I remember what it was like to be a teenager, trying to find my way. It wasn't easy. In fact, it was often very painful and confusing. Adults who not only took an interest in the same things I was passionate about, but who also took an interest in me, made a big difference in my life.

Again, I'm not condoning Jordan's actions or his response to Jeff, who I think offered good input in the right spirit. However, looking at the progression in this thread from reason to outrage and castigation of an immature kid, I want to address the heart of this community and ask whether, in protecting your personal interests, a gentler hand couldn't have accomplished the same goal while conceivably having a more redemptive effect. I wonder if it still couldn't.

Not to worry, if history is any indication, he can come back in a year or so and he will be welcomed back like he's our best friend.

 

[John Diel]

Going back and looking at how this all escalated, I notice that first page of posts are fairly positive to the essence of "Hey, you screwed the pooch here, now straighten it up and here's how to do it right" type posts.

No one was condemning him at the beginning of the series. Only AFTER is one response and several more "do it the right way" type posts, did things become a much harder stance.

I never saw the You Tube mix. so I can't say what was there as of when. I can say that this did not get out of hand in a hurry as we've seen some subject go. The poster had plenty of warning and time to remove what he had taken. At 17 years old, he is presumed to know right from wrong and generally responsible for his actions. He took a different course and is now paying the price for those actions.

I'm sorry that I feel this way about it, but there is no excuse for his actions. Yeah, I was young and dumb once, I learned from the school of hard knocks too. We've another couple of members that are learning things the hard way. It's a really a matter of choice and how one decides to act.

I tried being a nice guy on here and asked him to pay attention to Jeff's post.

We now see the result.

John Diel

 

[Tim Vasquez]

The account suspension will be lifted when we get word that the infringing videos are removed.

I checked back on this thread and there were about 48 hours worth of polite requests before our members started getting irate. I think there has been quite a fair chance for the right thing to be done here.

Tim

 

[Dave Gallaher]

So be it---sometimes hard lessons are the best remembered.