ChristofferB
EF2
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- Aug 27, 2009
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As you have already noticed I am trying to learn as much as possible before this season and my efforts are now focused on the forecasting of severe storm. Although I have read tons of forum posts, several SPC texts, plenty of excellent websites (such as WeatherPrediction.com), and the storm chasing handbook my greatest struggle was to find some sort of "basic recipe" to follow, or at least start with. I know that there is no such thing as a Basic Recipe and that there are exceptions to every rule but unless there were any broad guidelines, no-one would ever be able to forecast anything.
I needed to tie down the severe storm ingredients: moisture, lift, shear and instability into two important factors: maps and numbers. No matter how much I understood for example that instability was important and what this did in a storm I couldn't translate that into finding it on a map, and interpret it in terms of: is this good or bad?
So, the main questions I asked myself were:
- How can I find instability / moisture / lift / shear on a map?
and
- What values should I be looking for?
Through the resources mentioned above I had a decent understanding about each and every factor by itself. I knew, for example, I could find instability (CAPE) and moisture in a sounding - but how, for example, would I find the right station to check out in the first place!?
What I needed was first to find my ingredients translated into parameters and figured out the following:
- Instability: CAPE (and CIN as a limiting factor)
- Moisture: Dew points / LCL
- Shear: 0-6 km shear, as being the most important
- Lift: ?
I further realized CAPE and Wind Shear had a compound parameter in EHI.
I still couldn't find a parameter for "Lift" but my thought was that if the factors mentioned above create the gun powder keg, lift is the ignition - and it needs to be found in terms of a front or the likes of it where all other factors are met. I know there are some good information on WeatherPrediction regarding fronts that I will look further into.
My major breakthrough was finding the Powerpoint presentation describing the recipe for Tornadic Supercells, which explained and provided me with the numbers that could give me an idea of what to look for. WeatherPrediction.com was a great reference website but it is not the Forecasting Beginners Course it sort of claims to be, in my opinion. When finally realizing the parameters and corresponding values, THAT's when WeatherPrediction.com became my Go To-website to understand each parameter.
Given that PowerPoint-presentation and if my goal is to forecast tornadoes only, I imagine I can start a forecast now by trying to find areas that seem to fit:
0-1 km EHI > 1.0
0-6 km shear > 30 kts
LCL height < 1.500 m
0-3 km CAPE > 20
LFC height < 2.500 m
Further on, these following parameter values to use as a directive for minimum values:
CAPE > 1000
Dewpoints 55+ F
After having some parameters to look for I realized I didn't need to browse around for maps in 10's of different website (which I had assumed), the Mesoscale analysis maps (http://www.spc.noaa.gov/sfctest/new/viewsector.php?sector=19#) and the sounding analysis map (http://www.spc.noaa.gov/exper/soundings/) are really the only ones I need.
Now I finally have an approach that sends me to the maps looking for clues. Unless it is a Moderate/High-risk day I assume my found parameter values will hardly ever surpass my Tornadic Goal Values anywhere. But, now I can look at the Mesoscale Analysis map and see: "Oh, this place got some nice shear - I wonder if it has sufficient moisture! Hmmm, the LCL height is 2.200 m, that's not a good sign. I wonder if there are things that could help to bring it down!".
This was a huge step forward for me! Now, I had a forecasting approach - no matter how flawed - that I could start with. The biggest thing I am missing is a similar approach to finding Lift. I know from theWeatherPrediction-articles about factors that will cause lift, I just don't have an approach to find them on a map, and to determine if the Lift is "good enough" or "non-existing".
My list of disclaimers:
- I am very well aware of that this approach is narrow, flawed and possibly not even valid.
- I know there are plenty of exceptions to these rules.
- I know that an insufficient value in one parameter could be helped by another.
- I know that this approach, in terms of the values I have found, is for tornadic supercells - which is by far not the only thing we are looking for. I really enjoy LP supercells, for example.
- I know this doesn't really predict the timing of a storm. Winds will change the location of these parameter over time.
- It seems likely that compounded indices, like EHI, provides only estimates.
- I know that these values will hardly ever coincide at one certain point at a certain time.
...and I know tornadoes can be produced in any other circumstance far outside of these values. Single cell thunderstorms, squall lines etc.
But, now I have something to work with and to bring up to you as something to discuss. What do you think? I would like to further discuss and ask:
* What would be the greatest flaws to this approach?
* In case I am just looking for (non-tornadic) supercell storms in general how should I look at these parameters instead? I assume the LCL height is not as important for example.
* What approach should I have in terms of looking for Lift? I know drylines and frontal boundaries cause lift but what map should I use and what should I be looking for?
I needed to tie down the severe storm ingredients: moisture, lift, shear and instability into two important factors: maps and numbers. No matter how much I understood for example that instability was important and what this did in a storm I couldn't translate that into finding it on a map, and interpret it in terms of: is this good or bad?
So, the main questions I asked myself were:
- How can I find instability / moisture / lift / shear on a map?
and
- What values should I be looking for?
Through the resources mentioned above I had a decent understanding about each and every factor by itself. I knew, for example, I could find instability (CAPE) and moisture in a sounding - but how, for example, would I find the right station to check out in the first place!?
What I needed was first to find my ingredients translated into parameters and figured out the following:
- Instability: CAPE (and CIN as a limiting factor)
- Moisture: Dew points / LCL
- Shear: 0-6 km shear, as being the most important
- Lift: ?
I further realized CAPE and Wind Shear had a compound parameter in EHI.
I still couldn't find a parameter for "Lift" but my thought was that if the factors mentioned above create the gun powder keg, lift is the ignition - and it needs to be found in terms of a front or the likes of it where all other factors are met. I know there are some good information on WeatherPrediction regarding fronts that I will look further into.
My major breakthrough was finding the Powerpoint presentation describing the recipe for Tornadic Supercells, which explained and provided me with the numbers that could give me an idea of what to look for. WeatherPrediction.com was a great reference website but it is not the Forecasting Beginners Course it sort of claims to be, in my opinion. When finally realizing the parameters and corresponding values, THAT's when WeatherPrediction.com became my Go To-website to understand each parameter.
Given that PowerPoint-presentation and if my goal is to forecast tornadoes only, I imagine I can start a forecast now by trying to find areas that seem to fit:
0-1 km EHI > 1.0
0-6 km shear > 30 kts
LCL height < 1.500 m
0-3 km CAPE > 20
LFC height < 2.500 m
Further on, these following parameter values to use as a directive for minimum values:
CAPE > 1000
Dewpoints 55+ F
After having some parameters to look for I realized I didn't need to browse around for maps in 10's of different website (which I had assumed), the Mesoscale analysis maps (http://www.spc.noaa.gov/sfctest/new/viewsector.php?sector=19#) and the sounding analysis map (http://www.spc.noaa.gov/exper/soundings/) are really the only ones I need.
Now I finally have an approach that sends me to the maps looking for clues. Unless it is a Moderate/High-risk day I assume my found parameter values will hardly ever surpass my Tornadic Goal Values anywhere. But, now I can look at the Mesoscale Analysis map and see: "Oh, this place got some nice shear - I wonder if it has sufficient moisture! Hmmm, the LCL height is 2.200 m, that's not a good sign. I wonder if there are things that could help to bring it down!".
This was a huge step forward for me! Now, I had a forecasting approach - no matter how flawed - that I could start with. The biggest thing I am missing is a similar approach to finding Lift. I know from theWeatherPrediction-articles about factors that will cause lift, I just don't have an approach to find them on a map, and to determine if the Lift is "good enough" or "non-existing".
My list of disclaimers:
- I am very well aware of that this approach is narrow, flawed and possibly not even valid.
- I know there are plenty of exceptions to these rules.
- I know that an insufficient value in one parameter could be helped by another.
- I know that this approach, in terms of the values I have found, is for tornadic supercells - which is by far not the only thing we are looking for. I really enjoy LP supercells, for example.
- I know this doesn't really predict the timing of a storm. Winds will change the location of these parameter over time.
- It seems likely that compounded indices, like EHI, provides only estimates.
- I know that these values will hardly ever coincide at one certain point at a certain time.
...and I know tornadoes can be produced in any other circumstance far outside of these values. Single cell thunderstorms, squall lines etc.
But, now I have something to work with and to bring up to you as something to discuss. What do you think? I would like to further discuss and ask:
* What would be the greatest flaws to this approach?
* In case I am just looking for (non-tornadic) supercell storms in general how should I look at these parameters instead? I assume the LCL height is not as important for example.
* What approach should I have in terms of looking for Lift? I know drylines and frontal boundaries cause lift but what map should I use and what should I be looking for?