CITY OF NEW ORLEANS THREAD

Hmmmm....and who is to blame for that, someone won't be back in office.
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That's what he's afraid of. That's why he is going on the attack to pass the blame on to the federal government. He shouldn't have any problems convincing the people of New Orleans that he did a wonderful job, but it was "the man" who screwed them over. They'll re-elect him and call him a hero.

He'll be Governor in four years. :roll:
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There's plenty of blame to go around and let's not pretend that Bush had no role in contributing towards this (including moving 6,000 Louisiana National Guard [current number] into Iraq)...

"It appears that the money has been moved in the president’s budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that’s the price we pay. Nobody locally is happy that the levees can’t be finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue for us."

-- Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, Louisiana; New Orleans Times-Picayune, June 8, 2004
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It's 3,000 troops, not 6000. There was an officer from the Army Corps of Engineers on TV today saying that the levees were complete. Let's try not to judge when we dont know the FACTS.
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WASHINGTON — The Pentagon said Wednesday that it will add 10,000 National Guard soldiers from around the country to areas of Louisiana and Mississippi ravaged by Hurricane Katrina. A combination of troop callups and recruiting problems has left the two states with fewer of their own troops to provide aid

More than 5,900 Guard soldiers from the two states, about a third of the total, are deployed in Afghanistan and Iraq

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I guess I should have said 5,900 troops from the disaster area were not available instead of 6,000 (OK...I was off by 100).

As far as the levies are concerned, I tend to believe the emergency management officials who were making the request. I guess you could say that the levies were 'finished', but I think we can see why the emergency officials there thought there was additional work needed
 
There was an officer from the Army Corps of Engineers on TV today saying that the levees were complete. Let's try not to judge when we dont know the FACTS.
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Watching FOX all day probably isn't the best way to know the FACTS. Here is what a recent head of the Army Corps of Engineers said today as publiched by a reputable news source (Reuters):

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Bush administration funding cuts forced federal engineers to delay improvements on the levees, floodgates and pumping stations that failed to protect New Orleans from Hurricane Katrina's floodwaters, agency documents showed on Thursday.

The former head of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, the agency that handles the infrastructure of the nation's waterways, said the damage in New Orleans probably would have been much less extensive had flood-control efforts been fully funded over the years.

"Levees would have been higher, levees would have been bigger, there would have been other pumps put in," said Mike Parker, a former Mississippi congressman who headed the engineering agency from 2001 to 2002
 
I read that article too. Here's my problem with it. The cost of upgrading these levees to handle a cat 4 or 5 would have cost hundreds of millions, possibly billions of dollars. The article said the project was cut from 60 million to 10 million. The person who said that about the project being done was an Army Corps of Engineer general at a Pentagon press briefing. This disaster is decades in the making. Why werent the levees uprgaded earlier?
 
I read that article too. Here's my problem with it. The cost of upgrading these levees to handle a cat 4 or 5 would have cost hundreds of millions, possibly billions of dollars. The article said the project was cut from 60 million to 10 million. The person who said that about the project being done was an Army Corps of Engineer general at a Pentagon press briefing. This disaster is decades in the making. Why werent the levees uprgaded earlier?
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there was a project that wouldve sured up the levees and replace the wetlands to the south in 1998 at a cost of 14 billion. they plan was scrapped because it cost to much
 
I read that article too. Here's my problem with it. The cost of upgrading these levees to handle a cat 4 or 5 would have cost hundreds of millions, possibly billions of dollars. The article said the project was cut from 60 million to 10 million. The person who said that about the project being done was an Army Corps of Engineer general at a Pentagon press briefing. This disaster is decades in the making. Why werent the levees uprgaded earlier?
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there was a project that wouldve sured up the levees and replace the wetlands to the south in 1998 at a cost of 14 billion. they plan was scrapped because it cost to much
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And people expect a whole 60 million would've made a difference. I dont think so.
 
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Bush administration funding cuts forced federal engineers to delay improvements on the levees, floodgates and pumping stations that failed to protect New Orleans from Hurricane Katrina's floodwaters, agency documents showed on Thursday.

JFC Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush sr. and Clinton didnt do anything about it. what about them... lets dig up the dead ones and flog em......
There is nothing like a hurricane to bring out the bitch in people. Before Ivan was even over, people call the radio station wondering when there power is going to be back on. One stupid bitch called wanting to know when the stores will be open ,because she had 10 people, and they had no food or water.


When it come right down to the point. I am responsible for my own safty. I take care of myself.


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Do we need a congress and senate if the press maks all the decisions? Sounds to me like some of you would like a dictator.


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The history of the levees is irrelevant. What is relevant is that they were told to evacuate the city because the levees WOULD FAIL, as well as a multitude of other imminent disasters. None of this should have come as any surprise to Nagin or anybody else. He was given the facts, as was the general public, yet he chose to sit on his hands. And the photos of busses sitting parked in their yards is all the evidence we need to see that is exactly what happened.

Calling for the feds to bail you out AFTER you are in a hopeless condition is not effective leadership.

But I stand behind my prediction that he will be hailed by the citizens as a hero and re-elected.
 
The history of the levees is irrelevant. What is relevant is that they were told to evacuate the city because the levees WOULD FAIL, as well as a multitude of other imminent disasters. None of this should have come as any surprise to Nagin or anybody else. He was given the facts, as was the general public, yet he chose to sit on his hands. And the photos of busses sitting parked in their yards is all the evidence we need to see that is exactly what happened.

Calling for the feds to bail you out AFTER you are in a hopeless condition is not effective leadership.

But I stand behind my prediction that he will be hailed by the citizens as a hero and re-elected.
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Well lets see exaclty where he has been since sunday? i havent seen him on one TV interview and that makes me think hes not even in the city.
 
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