• After witnessing the continued decrease of involvement in the SpotterNetwork staff in serving SN members with troubleshooting issues recently, I have unilaterally decided to terminate the relationship between SpotterNetwork's support and Stormtrack. I have witnessed multiple users unable to receive support weeks after initiating help threads on the forum. I find this lack of response from SpotterNetwork officials disappointing and a failure to hold up their end of the agreement that was made years ago, before I took over management of this site. In my opinion, having Stormtrack users sit and wait for so long to receive help on SpotterNetwork issues on the Stormtrack forums reflects poorly not only on SpotterNetwork, but on Stormtrack and (by association) me as well. Since the issue has not been satisfactorily addressed, I no longer wish for the Stormtrack forum to be associated with SpotterNetwork.

    I apologize to those who continue to have issues with the service and continue to see their issues left unaddressed. Please understand that the connection between ST and SN was put in place long before I had any say over it. But now that I am the "captain of this ship," it is within my right (nay, duty) to make adjustments as I see necessary. Ending this relationship is such an adjustment.

    For those who continue to need help, I recommend navigating a web browswer to SpotterNetwork's About page, and seeking the individuals listed on that page for all further inquiries about SpotterNetwork.

    From this moment forward, the SpotterNetwork sub-forum has been hidden/deleted and there will be no assurance that any SpotterNetwork issues brought up in any of Stormtrack's other sub-forums will be addressed. Do not rely on Stormtrack for help with SpotterNetwork issues.

    Sincerely, Jeff D.

Chaser Convergence Observations and Tips To Minimize

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As the season is getting underway, and memories of last years convergence problems come to mind I turned my attention to ways to minimize the issues and disruptions due to it. Today in particular may be a tough day for convergence in OK/KS so these tips could really make the difference in your chase IMO. Please consider these.

One interesting / good thing I noticed on Spotternet a couple of the recent storm systems ago near OK, and IA was that as I've often seen in the past in other seasons the vast majority of the chasers target the first storm of the day that goes. Usually they target the first tornado warned cell, but on the OK day when Reed and company were out (I think last week) they were all on the cell Reed was on and not the tornado warned cell to the NE. In fact, on both occasions I noticed that most of the other cells were largely absent of chasers on Spotternetwork. I always rule of thumb take Spotternet chasers and multiply by 10 to get an idea how many chasers, spotters, media / public are on a storm. It's hard to tell the non-Spotternet representation, but I still suspect the other cells were much less utilized by storm observers. Of course this is bad for NWS warning, because we don't have ground truth on all the cells. However it can be good for those of us that really don't want to deal with the crowds.

Here are some tips for all of us to follow to keep convergence annoyances low on storms. (Other throw in their tips if they can think of any):

1) Make your own forecast, at least as best you can. Know why you are going to an area. Be prepared to wait for initiation in your area rather than the initial SPC area.
2) Don't necessarily go to the primary SPC area particularly if it is small. You may miss some good action, on the other hand this may mean playing the dryline rather than the warm front which may mean you get more photogenic cells compared to the warm front.
3) Consider not going after the first storm of the day. Let all the swarms head there first and wait for your storm perhaps very nearby.
4) Same as #3 - don't go after the first tornado warned cell. Let the swarms go there first.
5) Keep your Spotternetwork turned off until you 'go live' on an active cell that you actually may be spotting on. This will keep 'the masses' guessing as to where you and the majority are going and keep convergence from building earlier in the day. It will also help to spread chasers / spotters out for better coverage of storms for NWS ground truth.
6) When you break off on that cell and decide to go to another, if there is a gap between storms you can turn off Spotternetwork until you get on the other cell.
7) Consider NOT going on the cell that Reed Timmer and the 'Storm Chasers' crew is on. I've noticed that wherever Reed is the masses follow!!
8) If a cell is too crowded and over untilized, if possible break off and chase a promising nearby cell not as crowded.

Of course these are only suggestions. If you want to fight with the masses you can ignore all these ideas. Some days there may be only 1 'storm of the day'. It's hard to ignore a strong to violent tornado on a long tracked supercell. In those cases it may be tough for the initial chasers to follow the length anyway, so intercepting with new chasers along the way is likely.

Other ideas to help with the problem on crowded storms (based on personal observations last year):

1) Don't drive too slow when possible below the normal speed limit especially if you have a horde or a vast line of cars behind you. If you want to gawk, then pull off the side of the road far enough - hopefully a side road or parking lot, so that you don't interfere with traffic on the main roads.
2) Try and be polite and courteous. Those chasers on the side roads trying to merge who are about to get run over by the meso want to live too.
3) Pass only when you are NOT on a hill and have a clear view.
4) If people are passing be courteous if they are trying to get back into the traffic / lane. Tap your brakes and let them in.
5) Be VERY aware of the environment and the risk level. If you have a possible rain wrapped circulation approaching and there is a long convergence line of cars everyone needs to speed up and get the heck back ahead of it. Be aware those behind you may not be in the clear yet. Alternative is to turn off and 180 and let the circulation pass you.
6) When you pull off the road, pull FAR off the road. As far as safely possible without getting stuck, etc. That will help prevent traffic from slowing down because they don't know what you are going to do (such as open a door, etc).
7) Don't wander blindly out into the road ignorant of the traffic about to run you over while looking at the sky.
8) Don't set up tripods on the roads!
9) Don't park where you block the road.
10) Try and be courteous..if you have a small japanese 2wd passenger car on mud roads and a 4x4 with giant mud tires is behind try and let them pass. Don't get stuck doing this though.
11) Be aware of the road network and storm position / movement (and consider a near future storm hard right turn) whenever you commit to a position or path of travel. As we have seen last year certain dynamic storm motion particularly with fast moving cells and limited road options will cause the tornado to pass directly OVER you.

That's off the top of my head. Others?
 
Bill, these are excellent tips! On the 11th, we did many of the things you reference here. We stayed further West, and caught the splitting cell that produced some amazing wall clouds and structure after dark. We saw very few other chasers, and it was very rewarding.
 
Unfortunately it's only gonna get worse

The growing popularity of the "hobby" and the ever growing mass of video online & on-air will simply lead to the continued growth of chaser convergence.

The number of storms and their proximity to "prime" chase terrain is unknown until the event starts, so you can never know the amount of people who may have hit the forecast right or hold back to play the 2nd, 3rd or 4th storm down the line or those who blow by everyone to ditch one area to head to another.

Common sense and driving courtesy are about all we can hope for from this point forward.

You can't really control when the 2 lane county blacktop becomes a Houston freeway at rush hour.

But yes PULL OFF THE ROAD SAFELY, LEAVE ROOM TO PASS, DON'T STAND IN THE ROAD TO FILM AND SHUT YOUR DOORS!
 
That seems like a pretty decent list. I've seen a similar list to the second one in other places (esp. Chuck Doswell's essay on Chasing safety, in particular the first part "The Number 1 threat"). Those rules of etiquette/safety haven't really changed since he wrote that 10 years ago. But with the advent of the mobile data era, I think some additional concerns have been added that you have covered. I think a good way to summarize the second list is: THINK - use common sense. Yes, all chasers get tunnel vision in the heat of the moment, but all must realize that they don't own the road or the storm. It must be shared equally.

Regarding the first list, those rules are very difficult to follow when there is only a narrow threat area or only one storm of the day, which you admitted later on. But that admission really is key to the entire list: you can pretty much throw it out when there is only one storm. The lower part of the first list assumes people are attracted to your SN position. Me being me (an unknown who doesn't sell video or photos, doesn't stream, and isn't necessarily regarded as a "reliable" chaser/spotter - however you want to put it) and anyone else like me doesn't really have to worry about people seeing my SN icon and thinking, "OOH! Jeff Duda is on that storm! We should go there, too!"
 
Excellent post! I am new to chasing (I have been slowly learning over the past 3/4 years) and was on the Mapleton IA storm on Saturday. It was the biggest spotter/chase scene I've been a part of. At times folks were passing me and I wasn't sure what proper etiquette was so I appreciate the heads up.

I did have a question concerning a chase where I end up near some of you all who are much more experienced; how does everyone feel when an unknown (new) chaser is in the same vicinity as you? I realize the TV situation has caused some trouble in the past and has led to many thrill seekers as opposed to people who are really interested in learning more and being part of the spotting process. I will admit I have used many tools to determine where I should target including various posts from others and video streaming sites such as Chasertv. My forecasting skills would be classified as a newbie at best and I felt this was a good way to learn from how others approach spotting/chasing.

I guess I'm looking for any wisdom you all can share with the new guy because I don't want to be part of any possible problems merely from a lack of education.
 
Excellent post! I am new to chasing (I have been slowly learning over the past 3/4 years) and was on the Mapleton IA storm on Saturday. It was the biggest spotter/chase scene I've been a part of. At times folks were passing me and I wasn't sure what proper etiquette was so I appreciate the heads up.

I did have a question concerning a chase where I end up near some of you all who are much more experienced; how does everyone feel when an unknown (new) chaser is in the same vicinity as you? I realize the TV situation has caused some trouble in the past and has led to many thrill seekers as opposed to people who are really interested in learning more and being part of the spotting process. I will admit I have used many tools to determine where I should target including various posts from others and video streaming sites such as Chasertv. My forecasting skills would be classified as a newbie at best and I felt this was a good way to learn from how others approach spotting/chasing.

I guess I'm looking for any wisdom you all can share with the new guy because I don't want to be part of any possible problems merely from a lack of education.

Kevin, speaking from my own experience I don't think chasers mind. You have as much right to be out there as anyone - it's a public roadway. However that also depends on your courtesy and not being clueless. Ideally, you don't want want to break the courtesy tips, you don't want to block others, you don't want to make yourself a hazard or endanger the public by being overly reckless. To accomplish that it helps to have knowledge of storms and the storm environment and experience with how other chasers typically behave. If you are inexperienced it is always good to go with an experienced chaser to learn the ropes, or take a tour, and always learn as much as you can about severe storm meteorology, and severe storm hazards and behavior.

I will say that most chasers do not like others following them without permission. In the past these tag a longs were referred to as 'Kling-ons'. One reason is because an inexperienced chaser or member of the public may follow someone experienced and they lead them into a hazardous situation perhaps in a heavy hp core with a rain wrapped tornado. If the Kling-on loses contact due to visibility or road conditions they may be stuck in a dangerous situation. They also may not have to proper onboard radar or navigational software to keep themselves safe on their own.

I have experience with this scenario, back when I was first learning and unaware of any etiquette I managed to catch a tornado and met another chaser who was friendly at that scene. Afterward I could tell they were experienced so I proceeded to follow their vehicle. The situation and environment turned pretty bad and there were other tornadoes (some that I didn't even notice), it was also getting dark. Eventually the vehicle stopped and the other chaser in the vehicle got out and scolded me for following them. I felt bad about it. Turns out a year or more later however the other 'friendly' chaser became a chase partner of mine. So it is funny how it works out.

Only get yourself into situations that you create and know how to get yourself out of them. Always have options. If you plan for the storm, storm movement, and road network be aware that I have encountered 'BRIDGE OUT' scenarios, impassable mud roads, and heavy hail cored roads, and then you may be screwed if it is your only option. It's not a good feeling when that happens to you. LOL! :D
 
All,
Not being a storm chaser and living in an area that doesn't get much action (MD), I still do follow severe weather that comes our way and evny those who have the golden opporunity to see some great views of nature.
One thing comes to mind after reading this post. I see this guy's name all over (forums, TV shows, books) (Reed Timmer) and I wonder to myself "Why is this guy dong this?". Is he really doing a service to others or is what he does just for pure sensationalism, personal glory, and world-wide recognition? I have seen him on TV and thought to myself he seems just like everyone else. What makes him so special?

Just sayin',

Jim
 
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Good tips Bill. Coming out there end of April, first plains trip. I'll try to follow what you said and I'm here to learn all I can. I don't really like "know it alls" and make sure I don't come across as one. I've chased locally here in NC, but the stuff out there is new to me. I'll admit that, and I'm open to all the advice I can get. Common sense is a must in everyday life. Unfortunately alot of people don't have/use it. I'm not much for crowds, so if I see a ton of people heading after a storm, I'll keep my distance or just wait for another one. I don't plan on getting too close anyway, within a mile or two unless I have an experienced chaser with me. I don't care to get windows knocked out by large hail or getting stuck on some muddy road. I damn sure don't plan on core punching or blinding heading into heavy precip with alot of rotation.
 
A similar "convergence" situation occurs in Yellowstone Park when a bear, bison, or some other interesting form of wildlife is spotted: You end up with 25 cars parking every way they can, running out in the road, etc., in order to get a photo of the wildlife. I think a tornado or photogenic supercell would provide a different situation, however, in that it wouldn't be visible from only one 100-foot stretch of road. If I were to come across a convergence in that situation, I might be inclined to drive a little further down the road and park in a less congested area. I would probably end up with similar photos of the others without contributing to a crowded, hectic situation.
 
Bill, good to know. I found myself in the pack on Saturday and wasn't sure if I was offending anyone or not. I do have the proper equipment (GRLevelX, GPS, weather radio, etc, looking to get a cell booster as I did go dark at one point Saturday) and am constantly taking in as much information as possible on Stormtrack and many other sources. I attended my first spotter class this year. Unfortunately I didn't learn too much new information. I look forward to meeting some experienced chasers at some point as I would like to learn as much as possible. I wouldn't ever want to be classified as a 'kling-on', sounds like a nice way of saying poser to me!

Again, I appreciate all of the information/advice everyone provides here at Stormtrack. I hope I can return the favor sometime.
 
Here's a good example if you look right now: Take a look at the cell near Sapulpa, OK that Reed is on via GR3 / Spotternet. Notice the swarms of chasers? I don't see a tornado logged though, but might have missed it. Regardless, now look at he cell just to it's sw. That cell just north of Okemah has a logged cone tornado on it, but there are hardly any chasers on the cell!!!
 
A similar "convergence" situation occurs in Yellowstone Park when a bear, bison, or some other interesting form of wildlife is spotted: You end up with 25 cars parking every way they can, running out in the road, etc., in order to get a photo of the wildlife. I think a tornado or photogenic supercell would provide a different situation, however, in that it wouldn't be visible from only one 100-foot stretch of road. If I were to come across a convergence in that situation, I might be inclined to drive a little further down the road and park in a less congested area. I would probably end up with similar photos of the others without contributing to a crowded, hectic situation.

Unfortunately in real convergence they are ahead of you behind you and on all side roads!
 
Note to all be aware and courtious of eldery drivers, that and farm machinery wandering around. These are great tips you posted. That and agree with the name change for reed. Would throw alot of people out of wack" like where is reed?
 
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