Calling All Storm Chasers

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I'm sure glad that no one made such a big stink like this when I attempted to do something similar back in February regarding snow on February 12th...

If you want to help out, great. Donate. If you want to be compensated for your footage, that's great, too. Don't donate. If you need more information, then ask (which some have).

Why the need for post after post saying "No, I won't give my footage away for free..."? What good does that do?
 
Why the need for post after post saying "No, I won't give my footage away for free..."? What good does that do?

It lets these people know that were not going to be "had" for the video use. A lot of people get on here wanting free video from us. When we all jump in and say, not for free, then it might prevent others from coming on here trying to get it. That's what good it does.
 
Why the need for post after post saying "No, I won't give my footage away for free..."? What good does that do?

I try to play nice in my posts and give people the benefit of the doubt, but I'll lay it out the way honestly I see it.

Someone who is loosely associated with the project (from what I can tell) registers an account on Stormtrack and immediately posts that they are looking for free footage which leads me to believe they may not have intentions of being a member of the community. Under the 'Announcements' section they post a thread with the ambiguous title 'Calling All Storm Chasers'. I think it's something horrible, like we've lost a member or something and there is a donation drive for the family, dive into the thread, and it's a link to a project headed up by a California surfer dude that gives poor interviews. I'm only half-kidding :)

I think people are irked that this seems like less of an opportunity and more of a request. Compounding the issue is how many chasers relate to their footage. Some of them live on their chasing money, some of them can only chase with it. I'm guessing all chasers have an emotional attachment to their footage regardless of its market value. I spend weeks looking at models, preparing to make 1500 mile trips - just so that I can try to get close to an unpredictable force of nature that easily kills people and destroys millions (billions) in property. It's not the same as grabbing a camera and shooting fireworks on the 4th of July as we all know.

If someone from OU, NWS, etc. asks for my footage I'll gladly give it up because it's furthering science. If someone wants my footage for a 'Storms Of' DVD with proceeds going to charity, I'll gladly give it up because it's helping people. I'll be blunt, it seems like this '10-10-10' project is more about getting the founder's name out there and making money. What about all the awareness of causes that the project is raising? It reminds me of the grandstanding that many celebrities and musicians do - let's talk about something instead of actually doing something! Using social networks and a distributed model to produce a low-budget theatrical release sounds like a great business plan to me, but I'm not going to see it for anything besides that at the moment.

If Herbert is truly representing this project, it might be in his interest to try and understand how chasers view their media and to better explain the charitable goals and how they will be met. I hope my current assessment of this project is wrong because it could be a wonderful thing, but I'm laying the odds on human nature.

edit: Here's my ray of sunshine, I guess. Is there any way that Stormtrack could use this as an opportunity to do something good? I emailed Herbert and asked him to provide more details here on the thread.
 
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One Day on Earth

Is there a political bent to this project? Does the ideology lean one way rather than another?
Oh, I can smell it a mile away.
 
Herbert apologized to me in a private email for not responding to this thread himself. He emphasized that the project is about sharing and learning and that he was reaching out to niche communities to get them involved. The project is working to educate on key issues such as: "water shortage, effects of globalization, inequality across nations and within nations, etc." He did not comment on how this project contributes to charity aside from raising awareness.

He included some links to videos that can be found here: http://vimeo.com/onedayonearth. These videos primarily discuss media coverage of the event and highlight work of some of the higher profile people contributing and the causes they are associated with.
 
Herbert apologized to me in a private email for not responding to this thread himself.

Why couldn't he respond in this thread like many have asked? I don't see the need for the secrecy, especially if he is not planning on becoming a member of the community, as you said yourself.
 
I'm sure glad that no one made such a big stink like this when I attempted to do something similar back in February regarding snow on February 12th...

If you want to help out, great. Donate. If you want to be compensated for your footage, that's great, too. Don't donate. If you need more information, then ask (which some have).

Why the need for post after post saying "No, I won't give my footage away for free..."? What good does that do?

For starters, it's going on day two and still no reply to my question, which was the first reply to this thread. This reflects either (a) the author is too busy with other projects to respond (meaning this particular project is nothing more to him than just the next one he's getting paid to pimp out) or (b) it's just spam. Either way doesn't fly for me.

How many times have we seen these type of posts on here? It's common knowledge (in the chase world) that chasers generally don't give their stuff away, so I'm not sure how you can criticize chasers for defending that stance. if you'll re-read my original post, my questions were specific and direct....not rude or a personal attack. I think that's the general theme of the majority of posts on this thread.

I just envision this guy making the post, then turning his attention to whatever "to do" thing is next on his daily list.....doesn't really scream "give a damn" IMO. Just don't have the time or patience for folks who can't be involved enough to follow up with important details in_a_timely_fashion.

The final thought I have on this is the feature film thing. That's like the highest dollar demographic in the chase video world; worldwide major motion picture media? You can't tell me that's not going to generate a ton of cash. Where is it going? What charity? How is the money divided? Who's funding production? What benefit do contributors get if there's no monetary compensation while the film makers are surely being paid?

I'm not crapping on charity (anyone who owns the 'Storms Of" collection knows this), just wanting answers...and frankly, tired of waiting for them
 
Why couldn't he respond in this thread like many have asked? I don't see the need for the secrecy, especially if he is not planning on becoming a member of the community, as you said yourself.

I was trying to be fair to this gentleman, and am working on not being such a cynic... but I just don't think it's going to happen here. I need to apologize for perpetuating what would have likely been an open and shut case of spam.

LinkedIn confirmed that Herbert is an intern at One Day On Earth. A quick Google search on his name shows that he's been promoting this project across many web sites. In his email to me, he showed no interest in this community, and referred to it as 'Storm Tracker' and 'The Storm Chase.org'. He did not answer any of the critical questions that several of us have on our minds. He also made several statements that implied that he was tasked with going from niche community to niche community to drum up support for this project - so that it isn't just a bunch of people filming their cats.

I think most of you are spot-on with your assessments, and I wish him the best of luck with his 2 hour documentary on cats around the world.
 
I think everyone has missed a bigger problem, they want footage from "the 24 hour period of October 10, 2010." Not just storm footage from any day. Yes, there's a secondary peak of severe weather in October but the chances are pretty slim that there will be severe weather during that small 24 hour period. Just saying...
 
WOW...really kind of hard to believe that anyone would be interested in participating knowing that there will be no finacial gain and you give up all rights to said video, weather or otherwise.

Not sure if it is true or not but via the Drudge report the "little" project on youtube
brought in over $500,000 in revenue via adds and sales. Wonder just how many people who helped with that project saw any kind of a return?

Herbert, I am just curious as to what is actually going to be done with all the video? I mean I understand that you will be making a 120min "film"? But what then? Where would it be seen? Networks? Can you please explain more?

We are creating a time capsule and library of international footage shot on that day. Members of the community will be able to have access to it.

What's your budget? Most chasers charge anywhere between $30/100 per second for their footage. Enlightening us on where you're at as far as available expenses might help expedite the process.

We are a grassroots project. You may use ODOE as a platform to display your work and promote any projects you have going on. I apologize for the delayed response.

Didn't Youtube just do this a few weeks back?

Yes they did but our project is different in many ways.

Below is a link to a letter written by the project founder
http://www.onedayonearth.org/page/history-1

our project is grassroots and we're a non-profit running on donations with the goal of creating greater global empathy.

I think this sounds like fun. Probably no storms in my area but maybe I'll shoot some people shots in Richmond along the river. October is a pretty time in Richmond thought the best leaf color is farther north. Cost to me would be nil as I'll take the video camera along with whatever I am doing that day. I had forgotten about the similar YouTube project until after it happened.

Bill Hark

Hi Bill,

I think it would be great to document the changing of seasons. That is something we don't get to experience in California.

Thanks
 
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The director of this effort is Kyle Ruddick, who also heads up Eyestorm Productions - a company that does for-profit game trailers, documentaries, and other multimedia work.


If this is a non profit project, then why it it headed up by a for profit company/director? I believe we all deserve a clear answer.
 
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