Another Black Eye For Chasers?

Here's a few questions I would pose to the reporter and his sources. On the given incidents reffered to:

1. Were Emergency Services hampered in any way in responding to emergencies?

2. Were any traffic laws actually violated?

3. Were Local Storm Spotters hampered in getting to their assigned positions?

4. Was Emergency Management hampered or prevented from doing their assigned duty?

5. Was anyone injured or delayed help because of traffic issues?
 
My gloves are off! ;)

Actually, I quite agree - the data collection vehicles need to exercise the same precautions. But the point I was trying to make is that if there are road blockages caused by chasers, then scientific data collection could seriously be hampered.

lol........Yeah, I wasn't trying to start an argument or anything. I should have elaborated a little bit more that if there is a problem, it's an all around problem and not just plain old chasers causing mayhem. Everyone makes mistakes out there in the heat of the moment and if people realize their mistakes hopefully they will learn from them in the future.

About the article? Oh well, let that crappy journalist from Hays try to write a critical article on something that they have no idea about. It only makes them look like fools when they don't write about both sides of the story.
 
My experience of late (and over the past 20 years -- as of this weekend) is that the majority of serious problems are with local yahoos and Kingon cruisers -- not experienced chasers. Again, as long as you are parked off the roadway and not obstructing traffic flow or intersections, you are not committing any traffic violation. You also have the right to pull off the road is there is pending danger, e.g., a tornado or Godzilla hail crossing the road. I think a lot of this frustration by local officials is generated from "turf" protection. I experienced the same thing when I was a newspaper journalist. Some people in authority simply do not want others around when something cool is about to happen, or they fear someone with a camera might capture them doing something out of line. (With YouTube there is a logical argument here). I saw several law enforcement vehicles (and a few chasers - locals) drive right under the rapidly rotating, low, massive wall cloud yesterday near Stinnett. A violent tornado could have dropped at any second. The cops were doing their job to block traffic, although they underestimated the position of the approaching lowering and would have been square and up-close in my video viewfinder if a tornado would have touched down. It would have been very difficult to release that footage.

Warren
 
rdale: look up the word sarcasm when you get a chance.
Those who have recommended the reporter get the chasers side of the story are on the right track. I’m sure the link to this thread has been sent to said reporter about 400 times now so maybe contacting one of us about this issue will be in our future.
 
While not expressly mentioned in the article, I think a factor in the frustration may be just pure dumb-luck in location. Two of the greatest chaser convergences in the last several years have now occurred in the same exact area. June 9, 2005 was where? Graham and Trego County, KS. Some frustration was expressed about this issue when I did the Trego County spotter training in 2006. It is a complex problem to deal with and the County EM and LE personnel certainly have valid concerns. Imagine if there truly was a significant tornado causing damage and the shear numbers of chasers prevented the necessary flow of traffic along a major US Highway? Sure it did not happen this time (major damage with large EMS response), but just imagine the same chaser convergence.. or even larger than that (say in a couple years?) with a Greensburg-type disaster? The Greensburg event did not draw a convergence of this size because of several factors (time of day, difficult forecast with chasers dispersed all over, etc).

This is the 2nd time in 3 years now that a 100-200+ chaser convergence has occurred in Trego/Graham County and that is probably a factor in the reason for the story... Perhaps. I think Harper County, KS has shared the same frustration if I recall correctly, given that particular "hot spot" the past several years.

Interesting dynamic. I can't wait for my chasing time off in late June up north, when the large majority of "chaser vacations" are over and done with :-)
 
Why don't we bring the lottery system to storm chasing. Each storm chaser would pay $5.00 per ticket for a chance to chase the next storm. There would be a total of 25 winning tickets and each winner could bring 1 chase partner with them on the trip. If law enforcement stopped you for any reason, all you would do is show your winning ticket and be on your way. If you did not have the lottery ticket then you would be fined and jailed until the storms move through. Problem Solved!!!!

I am being sarcastic.
 
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NE Kansas NPR radio mentioned the story.

Seamed like most the congestion was around the DOW and tornado intercept vehicles. I don't know if there are DOW groupies out there but I also remember seeing a large crowd around them last year north of GRI. There was one south bound vehicle stopped in the driving lane, probably visiting with someone for a second. That was the worst thing I saw on U283.

No doubt there were a lot of chasers out there Tuesday, but how many of the pulled over cars were just people waiting for the storm to pass?
 
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Some of the worst "clogs" I have seen are one or two "chasers" (quotes because I don't know if these are actual chasers or locals) that was to drive 20 under the speed limit and gawk at the storm.....thereby causing a huge line of chaser cars that otherwise would have moved on down the road. The cars are so close no one can pass, and you end up with a quarter mile line of vehicles moving 20 under the speed limit.

That frustrates me more than people speeding and I can very much see how it would hinder any sort of official vehicles.

People.....chaser or not...if your going to drive way under the posted speed limit (for whatever reason) PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE pull off the road and let that line of cars piled up behind you pass by. If your gonna gawk at the storm pull of the road and actually enjoy it.
 
I say everyone quits chasing and leaves this up to the professionals....law enforcement. We need to stop and think about why we are out there in the first place, and why on earth we would like to report what we are seeing, which could potentially save lives.

I didn't see any vehicles on that highway who weren't pulled over safely on the shoulder.
 
Let all play nicely, people. If you have a particular comment about a specific member, please use the PM system to make such a comment. So far, I haven't really seen anything that I'd call a "snide" remark, but it's getting close.
 
Well, I saw a lot of chasers yesterday and most of them were being responsible, but there were a few that were standing in the middle of state highways and even completely blocking main intersections in order to stay parked on pavement. On May 4, I was on the tornadic storm in Ellis County, OK and there were a line of chasers flying down narrow county roads, slamming their brakes, and passing each other at high speeds. Sadly, most of the real "hazardous conditions" out there are created solely by careless chasers. Some people just get so carried away with the weather that they forget about everything else going on around them, and it gets pretty dangerous at times.
 
I realize I'm preaching to the choir for the most part here, but figured I'd post anyway in the (probably unlikely) event someone finds my observations and thoughts on the matter useful.

Just because storm chasers sometimes get bad press from LE officials doesn't mean there's no reason for it. We need to look at this from their perspective, too, and local LE's mission (protecting the residents of their township/county) is a lot more important than ours, especially since the vast majority of us are primarily doing this for our own pleasure. Yes, we chasers help them out sometimes by assisting them in this task in varying ways, but I think we need to remember that they're the ones who have been conferred the authority to protect the citizens in their jurisdiction, not us, and we need to respect that and do what we can to make their jobs easier instead of more difficult.

Now with respect to 5/23, I certainly saw my fair share of people clogging the roadways with bodies, tripods, and vehicles (I'm half-surprised there weren't lawn chairs), and I can assure you these were not all locals or chase vans. Yes, these chasers were in the minority, but it only takes a few to cause a serious problem, and even veterans can make boneheaded errors at times. I know I have, such as on March 28 when my wife yelled at me to get away from the road, and I suddenly realized I was standing mere inches from the pavement with traffic moving at 70+ mph--not the smartest idea, and undoubtedly annoying to anyone driving past. Anyway, sure, folks eventually got out of the way 5/23 and let us pass each time, but not before we were forced to repeatedly come to a near-standstill on multiple highways. Combine that with cars not fully pulled off the road (90% of the car off the pavement does not count) and people chaotically getting in/out of them from all sides, and it was simply not safe to drive anything even remotely close to the speed limit in some areas. If I were a LE officer I might very well have a negative view of storm chasers, especially after witnessing a few situations like that. Heck, I might even feel pressured to write people up even with a tornado on the ground, just to get people off the road so first responders can get through more smoothly once the tornado has moved on.

Another thing that seems to be a significant problem is cars travelling very slowly on highways and essentially blocking traffic even though they are moving (I got stuck behind a friend who has plenty of chasing experience doing exactly that on March 28). If you're going to go really slow because a storm looks interesting, please just pull off so everyone else can continue on their way. There's no reason to treat a state highway like a residential neighborhood, and I'm sure locals are quite annoyed by it--I know I am as a chaser. We really need to do all we can to make sure we think of residents first, and ourselves second, at all times. This is not an easy task in the heat of the moment (I'm hardly perfect myself), but if that's the attitude we collectively work to have, these problems would be much more isolated.
 
its only going to get worse from here on out...especially in the plains states...

ive seen video with all those chasers out there, and i never understood the shear number of chasers till i was out on a storm...and there werent nearly as many chasers as ive seen on some videos...

the truth of the matter is, as with anything...you cant stop people from acting foolish or going out and doing there thing...more and more people are going to want to go out and see storms and all that, and im sure its going to come to a point thats going to be negative for storm chasers...

personally, i think its inevitable...ive heard people mention cars cresting hills and hitting stopped cars, lightning striking people...

while i and other people may show respect while chasing storms, there are always those few who will not respect the meteorological or ethical aspects of storm chasing, and its those people who will inevitably make it very difficult for the professional storm chaser in the near future...

luckily, im one of the few who chase the south...so, i dont see many chasers...i can clearly see reasonable explanation for emergency management personel and cops to get angry with unruly chasers...and im sure its easy to judge all chasers as the same when your trying to deal with 7 or 8 carloads of people blocking a highway during a potentially deadly storm...

that could be very bad for the honorable chaser...

bottom line, it is up to the individual and you cant make someone care...
 
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