Mike Peregrine
EF5
Thanks for stealing our juice, Oklahoma!
The Nebraska Curse has been quite prominent this week.
The Nebraska Curse has been quite prominent this week.
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Sincerely, Jeff D.
5/24/08 DISC: OK / KS / NE
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Marc Remillard
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What a bust in NE! Congrats to people who went in OK today
Andrew McDonald
EF0
Just on that, I'm curious to know if anyone who chased in Kansas yesterday actually TARGETED Oklahoma today (as opposed to Nebraska (like us) or another of the various northern targets)...or if the people who scored today were in Oklahoma because they had to be. Anyone? If so, I'm curious to know what dragged you down there (ie what we *missed*).
I remember mentioning the boundary last night that the OK storms were leaving behind but that was the last I thought of it (until we saw the storms going up there this afternoon).
Busted in Nebraska today but not too disappointed after 10+ tornadoes in the last two days.
Andrew McDonald
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Chris Gullikson
EF2
I had no intentions of chasing OK - had to drop our guests off at the hotel in
OKC so they could catch their flights. Helped clean up the vehicles, then me and Kirstie got on the road and started looking up data. Saw the MD and tornado watch - and we were seeing our first tornado 45 minutes later!
OKC so they could catch their flights. Helped clean up the vehicles, then me and Kirstie got on the road and started looking up data. Saw the MD and tornado watch - and we were seeing our first tornado 45 minutes later!
Jay Cazel
EF4
Live in Wichita and made it home last night at 1:00am from chasing in NW Kansas.....Tyler Costantini was taking a chase friend to the hotel in OKC to catch a filght tomorrow then called me and said lets go. Really had no intentions on casing today...Just happened.
Jeff Snyder
EF5
Andrew,
We had a couple of radars out in northwestern Kansas yesterday, and we spent last night in Larned. We very briefly gave thought to the SE NE target, but dismissed it when we awoke to see scoured out moisture. We left Larned around 12:30 pm to head southward in hopes of playing the OFB-dryline intersection that looked like it would move into southern Kansas by late afternoon. The 3rd radar in our group wasn't able to make it up to I70 yesterday, instead collecting data on the supercell N of Woodward yesterday. At any rate, they meandered E around 1p to check out the storms that were developing along the OFB, with intentions of heading back into southern Kansas to hit the OFB-dryline intersection. We sat in Pratt for several hours watching and oogling over the tornado machine that was the supercell in OK. For quite some time, it looked like more storms would try to form farther to the northwest, and we weren't sure we'd be able to catch up with it before it got too far east (since models progged much weaker midlevel flow down there). Alas, we all know happened with that cell. We ended up coming back N towards I70 in hopes that the TCu on the dryline in central KS would erupt. Again, we know how that ended (null).
At any rate, this is kind of a half report - half DISC post since it addressed the question quoted above (from the NOW thread). It isn't easy to see the pics of the tornado machine in northern Oklahoma, particularly since it seemed so chaser-friendly (with a very slow E to ENE storm motion in an area of nearly 1 mile gridded roads). We had concerns about NE early on, which is why we decided to drop such a target. Convergence in Kansas must have been very weak along the dryline, since the 00z DDC sounding is uncapped if the Td is set at 61-68F (which is what it was just to the E of DDC). Again, it doesn't appear as though parcel theory can do much for convective initiation. Moisture depth right ahead of the dryline in S NE and KS may have been an issue, but there's not really any way for us to know. Hindsight is always 20-20, I suppose. Area radars showed the dryline quite clearly as a significant fine-line, but the winds behind the dryline began to back by late afternoon; the dryline began to retreat by 6 pm, and the towers that were bubbling on the dryline dissipated.
Extreme instability + "sufficient" deep-layer shear + favorably-oriented OFB = gold mine. I actually think it's possible that the weaker 500mb flow farther south (in OK) may actually have AIDED this storm, in that it may have allowed it to stay anchored to the OFB. Surely if there had been 60kt SW 500mb flow the storm would have crossed the OFB and not have an opportunity to "lock" on to it. In this case, 35-40kt may have been the perfect balance.
Too bad there wasn't a 00z LMN sounding.
joel ewing
EF5
Mike P- You are so right about the "Nebraska Curse". Geez....it's unbelieveable. But read my posts prior to the outbreaks of the past few days. When it comes to Nebraska...I say "May Schmaay". Nebraska just didn't get the juice in time a few days ago for the biggest part of the show, and then today looked suspect to me this morning from my armchair here in Tucson, Az....when I saw all the debris clouds from the previous nite.
Want naders in Nebraska?? June is where it's at. And I darn near always seem to score big on either June 9 or 10 there.
And once June is over, Nebraska can keep on rolling big in July and even into August. Just hang out in Cherry county. There are sooo many tornadic storms that roll thru there...and huge storms at that. Too bad that it is one of the biggest counties in the US land-acreage wise...with the least amount of population. So much of the tornadic action never gets seen, or if seen...doesn't get reported.
Want naders in Nebraska?? June is where it's at. And I darn near always seem to score big on either June 9 or 10 there.
And once June is over, Nebraska can keep on rolling big in July and even into August. Just hang out in Cherry county. There are sooo many tornadic storms that roll thru there...and huge storms at that. Too bad that it is one of the biggest counties in the US land-acreage wise...with the least amount of population. So much of the tornadic action never gets seen, or if seen...doesn't get reported.
Kiel Ortega
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Got back to Norman a few hours ago after finishing a ~8 hour drive surveying that ridiculous thing up in Kingfisher/Garfield/Noble (I was running the PAR in Norman for the first 3.5 hours of the supercell). May have found paths for 6 or 7 tornadoes (hard to tell exact #...a theme for those even up there ). FWIW, I don't think there was a tornado south of Perry (unless someone has a very convincing photo) as the damage was really spotty and minimal (at best).
For other tornadoes that I didn't find damage, specifically the ones west of Orlando, I need help. I need info of where people were (very exact--lat/lon or street intersections), which direction they were looking and approx distance. Hopefully if I get enough, I can triangulate the reports and get a good position. Your help would be most appreciated (can PM or email at [email protected]). Thanks in advance!
). FWIW, I don't think there was a tornado south of Perry (unless someone has a very convincing photo) as the damage was really spotty and minimal (at best).For other tornadoes that I didn't find damage, specifically the ones west of Orlando, I need help. I need info of where people were (very exact--lat/lon or street intersections), which direction they were looking and approx distance. Hopefully if I get enough, I can triangulate the reports and get a good position. Your help would be most appreciated (can PM or email at [email protected]). Thanks in advance!
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