What are Bow Echos Der Echos etc?

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Can anyone explain to me what a Bow Echo,Der Echo and Comma Echo is? I have already been given a answer but it was not very detailed and I am still confused on some things.

I always thought a Bow was just a buldge in storms where strong winds were pushing the storms or coming down from the storms but there is more to it than that isint there? A Der Echo is just a strong Bow Echo correct or are they 2 different things entirely? I am trying to better my understanding of these things. Thanks for the help.
 
Heya Matt,

I'll try to help here a bit. First off, I believe one of the terms you're looking for here is "Derecho" which is actually not a "Der Echo"...It's a Spanish-derived word meaning "Straight Ahead". Often these storms form on bow echoes (interestingly) which are--on radar--a bent linear band of storms (think squall line but in the shape of a end parentheses ")"). Derechos are absolutely drenchers with large amounts of precipitation and outflow winds that exceed 50mph.

Hope this helps...Now, if you want to understand the dynamics of such issues, let me know and I'll point you toward a couple o' resources.

Cheers!
 
Well Jason got it right when he said that derecho is a spanish word that means "straight ahead" or "direct". However, there are some scientific publications that set some criteria for derecho events. It is not necessarily just any old windstorm that blows through in the summer...

This is what was published in Johns and Hirt (1986) as their sort of criteria checklist for determining derecho events to use in their study:

1.There must be a concentrated area of reports consisting of convectively induced wind damage and/or convective gusts in excess of 50 knots (58 mph). This area must have a major axis length of at least 400 km (250 nm).

2. The reports within this area must also exhibit a nonrandom pattern of occurrence. That is, the reports must show a pattern of chronological progression either as a singular swath (progressive) or as a series of swaths (serial).

3. Within the area there must be at least three reports, seperated by 64 km (40 nm) or more, of either F1-equivalent damage and/or convective gusts of 65 knots (74 mph) or greater.

4. No more than 3 hours can elapse between successive wind damage (gust) events.

The derecho is the actual windstorm. It is defined as a "widespread convectively induced windstorm".

Now to answer one of the questions you had initially. A bow echo is merely "a radar echo which is linear but bent outward in a bow shape" (NWS OUN). I linked a picture of it too. A derecho can be caused by a bowed line of storms, but the storms do not necessarily have to be bowed. Any line of storms, whether it is perfectly linear or bowed like a semi-circle, can produce a derecho, as long as the wind report pattern fits the criteria listed above. Here is a radar image from the May 30-31 1998 derecho event. You can see that the line of severe storms was more or less pretty linear, with perhaps some individual bowed segments.

So basically just remember that a bow echo is just what its name sounds like - a bowed radar echo, and a derecho is a major windstorm caused by a line of storms. I hear people use derecho to describe any wind event now, but it really was intended to describe the more widespread and extreme events - the type of wind event the SPC would issue a High Risk for.

Hope that helps!

AJL
 
Derechos are absolutely drenchers with large amounts of precipitation and outflow winds that exceed 50mph.

It might be worth noting that derechos are associated with significant and long lived/wide spread wind damage. Winds above 50 mph are fairly common with squall lines and bow echos, but when you start reaching 80-100 mph+ then you start getting into derecho territory.
 
I posted this because I wanted to get more information on something I knew little about. I realy apreciate the help so thanks everyone.
 
Well, it looks like things have been taken care of.. There is also another phenomena called a LEWP. Line Echo Wave Pattern. Dont want to give you more info than you want. But if interested I would explain. Assuming you arent already familiar with them
 
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