Storm chasers ponder: Should you help when a storm hits?

I echo Drew's thought. I'm not at all religious or a man of faith (in fact, anti-religious), but i would most definitely help if I ever was a first responder. I may not know much medically, but I'm a big guy with muscles to help move debris. I'm also a set of hands, ears, and eyes to help with search and rescue. I would do it not because of my heritage or beliefs, but I'd do it because I wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing I could've saved a life or two.
 
Absolutely I would help if I saw someone in need. Even with a limited knowledge of things such as first aid, you can at least do something. And being storm chasers and often the first people on the scene, I think we all have a duty to help our fellow man. Of course there is still only so much we can do, whether it be moving debris or treating minor injuries. For more major injuries though, I would say assess the situation and try to decide whether you can safely do anything. Don't risk it if you aren't sure but do something.
 
When I was around 25 I took and passed an EMT-B course and became registered. But I never got a job in EMS; now it's almost a decade later and I hardly remember anything; what little I think I do remember, 95% of it involves special equipment that I don't have, and the remainder is too risky to try at my level of uncertainty. Things like CPR, I know for a fact aren't done the same way anymore.

That said of course I would stop to see if there's anything I could do to help. I have a personal first aid kit in my car, and if I encounter any injured people they're welcome to the band-aids and burn cream, but I think the best thing I could probably do to help someone seriously injured in the wake of a tornado is take them to the hospital in my car, or else call for an ambulance, wait with them until it arrived, and then stay out of the professionals' way.
 
As Drew T has stated being military you are trained in basic medical treatment. My chase partner are both military and have an agreement that if we see someone in need of help we will help them. We keep basic medical pack in the vehicle and have a phone always at the ready to make the call.
 
My first tornado was an EF4 in Indiana. I filmed it and while doing so, I felt like I was in a dream like state. Surreal comes to mind. I had waited a lifetime to see something like this live and it was a monster vortex. Once this storm became rain wrapped from afar, I drove to the damage path and saw a lot of unspeakable damage. I had first responders and sirens whizzing around my vehicle and it became overwhelming. I honestly felt like I was going into a state of shock. I was confused, a bit delirious, and mentally paralyzed by what I was seeing.

I felt it best that I simply got out of the way at that point and left the scene. I don't have too many regrets in my life but I do regret that I left. Once I "snapped back" into reality on the way home, I immediately felt like I made a mistake by leaving.

It changed me as a person and my goals for storm chasing. I want to be able to warn people but I also feel the need to help the very community that helps me make my world go round by assisting in any way I can. I'm not on a soap box. It's a personal thing. I will go out of my to help on the next encounter. I encourage people to help in those situations but I understand if you don't, just don't gawk. Get out of the way so that the help can get to those in need.
 
This is a great topic. As stated earlier in this post, in most states, if not all, there is a "Good Samaritan" law. That law, however, does not in most cases, keep you from being sued for any actions that you take. The good samaritan law can be used as a defense to the suit though. And if you are an EMT-B/I/P you can also be charged with failure to render aid if you do not stop. My suggestion: If you are a EMT, and don't WANT to stop, remove anything from your vehicle (EMS plates/stickers...etc..) that would identify you as having EMS training. However, I would just use a little common sense in the matter. If local authorities have it under control, let them do their jobs. If not, pitch in.
 
This is a great topic. As stated earlier in this post, in most states, if not all, there is a "Good Samaritan" law. That law, however, does not in most cases, keep you from being sued for any actions that you take. The good samaritan law can be used as a defense to the suit though. And if you are an EMT-B/I/P you can also be charged with failure to render aid if you do not stop. My suggestion: If you are a EMT, and don't WANT to stop, remove anything from your vehicle (EMS plates/stickers...etc..) that would identify you as having EMS training. However, I would just use a little common sense in the matter. If local authorities have it under control, let them do their jobs. If not, pitch in.

Yep, great points Mikel. As a certified and active responder myself I will always stop. Chasing is vastly a self-educated endeavor, I saw points earlier that folks need to understand the risks/hazards they may face - or don't chase. That's a valid point and something people need to take a second and really think over. Are you prepared physically, mentally and technically to render aid? Are you prepared to perhaps stumble upon bodies, pieces of bodies, do you have proper PPE to protect yourself from these situations, do you have proper ways to identify hazards; the list can go on and on.

My focus when chasing has never been and probably never will be just for the fun of it. I am very novice at forecasting and it just isn't something I sink tons of time into in that regard. What I sink time into is preparing to render aid if we stumble upon something. If you want to chase in flip-flops - by all means do it, but if you want to realistically render aid and not become a burden on the responders of the local area be prepared to protect yourself. As a responder, don't be offended if somebody tells you off, yells at you to leave - that is NOT an appropriate time to argue or cause a scene. They may be aware of a hazard you are not, we all become potential hazards to folks responding within their jurisdictions. Key points to bear in mind is don't self dispatch, be prepared and think through the realities of what occurs during these awe inspiring events we all share interest in. Grab some long sleeved shirts, pants, boots, take extra water, take a blanket, nitrile gloves, perhaps a helmet and educate yourself on basic HAZMAT awareness and first-aid to protect yourself.

At the end of the day, make sure you go home. Those of us who sign up and volunteer to do these things on a daily basis understand the risks, we volunteered to do this and if anything happens in my area I don't want to see somebody getting hurt who has good intentions - it simply isn't worth it if you aren't prepared. Bar none - stay safe!
 
I will aways stop and help because of my training and also feeling morally obligated to. If you have the ability to save someones life or help them in anyway I feel you should make an attempt.
 
Yep, great points Mikel. As a certified and active responder myself I will always stop. Chasing is vastly a self-educated endeavor, I saw points earlier that folks need to understand the risks/hazards they may face - or don't chase. That's a valid point and something people need to take a second and really think over. Are you prepared physically, mentally and technically to render aid? Are you prepared to perhaps stumble upon bodies, pieces of bodies, do you have proper PPE to protect yourself from these situations, do you have proper ways to identify hazards; the list can go on and on.

My focus when chasing has never been and probably never will be just for the fun of it. I am very novice at forecasting and it just isn't something I sink tons of time into in that regard. What I sink time into is preparing to render aid if we stumble upon something. If you want to chase in flip-flops - by all means do it, but if you want to realistically render aid and not become a burden on the responders of the local area be prepared to protect yourself. As a responder, don't be offended if somebody tells you off, yells at you to leave - that is NOT an appropriate time to argue or cause a scene. They may be aware of a hazard you are not, we all become potential hazards to folks responding within their jurisdictions. Key points to bear in mind is don't self dispatch, be prepared and think through the realities of what occurs during these awe inspiring events we all share interest in. Grab some long sleeved shirts, pants, boots, take extra water, take a blanket, nitrile gloves, perhaps a helmet and educate yourself on basic HAZMAT awareness and first-aid to protect yourself.

At the end of the day, make sure you go home. Those of us who sign up and volunteer to do these things on a daily basis understand the risks, we volunteered to do this and if anything happens in my area I don't want to see somebody getting hurt who has good intentions - it simply isn't worth it if you aren't prepared. Bar none - stay safe!

This brings up another good point. Training. People that are stopping to "render aid" may be actually doing more harm than good if you are not fully trained to deal with such a situation. There is more to tornado damage, in most cases than just the debris itself. There are usually some sort of haz-mat incident going on at the same time due to the tornado too. If you just run in without knowing what you are doing, you could be another casualty. If your going to try and help, make sure you have been trained to deal with such a situation and not just run in without knowing what your doing.
 
This brings up another good point. Training. People that are stopping to "render aid" may be actually doing more harm than good if you are not fully trained to deal with such a situation. There is more to tornado damage, in most cases than just the debris itself. There are usually some sort of haz-mat incident going on at the same time due to the tornado too. If you just run in without knowing what you are doing, you could be another casualty. If your going to try and help, make sure you have been trained to deal with such a situation and not just run in without knowing what your doing.

Absolutely. In most cases folks stopping to 'help' end up causing more of a concern, it's one more mouth to feed and one more potential casualty as you said. Having basic awareness knowledge, basic first aid and understanding your limits are key points when stopping to assist at something of this magnitude.

This brings up an interesting point... there's a lot of side-lined individual educational courses out there, has anybody seen one for the disaster response side of chasing?
 
I'd like to bring up an important point as well....

It has been said in this thread that if you are an EMS certified individual (i.e. First Responder, EMT, Paramedic, etc) that you HAVE to stop and help at the scene of an accident / disaster, etc. This is true if you're in your home state, to a point. If there's already assistance on scene, you are not required to stop. If assistance isn't on scene then you should stop and render aid if possible. Unless you're in your home jurisdiction, I don't think you have a "Duty to Act".

Now for being out of your home state, please, please, please remember one thing -- you're no longer certified. Each state certifies / licenses their own EMS providers and everyone has different rules. True, you can still call in as an "Paramedic from Iowa" for example, but if I render aid out of state and something bad happens as a result, you're essentially on your own.

To those that are "Nationally Registered" -- this is reciprocity in certifications across states. This DOES NOT mean you are certified to practice medicine in every state. Please remember that. There is currently NO national EMS certification.

I know there are several fellow EMS folks on ST and by all means, I'll stop to render aid when I can. I don't want to discourage anybody from helping out. I just don't want to see anyone get their butt in a predicament.

@Kyle Soldani -- Other than piecing parts of a variety of courses together, I really haven't heard of any one aid class for Disasters. Most disaster classes anymore are geared more towards Hazmat and those types of scenarios rather than weather related trauma. Might be something worth looking into developing for a future chasercon.

Mike Cox
www.iowachaser.com
 
My first tornado was an EF4 in Indiana. I filmed it and while doing so, I felt like I was in a dream like state. Surreal comes to mind. I had waited a lifetime to see something like this live and it was a monster vortex. Once this storm became rain wrapped from afar, I drove to the damage path and saw a lot of unspeakable damage. I had first responders and sirens whizzing around my vehicle and it became overwhelming. I honestly felt like I was going into a state of shock. I was confused, a bit delirious, and mentally paralyzed by what I was seeing.

I felt it best that I simply got out of the way at that point and left the scene. I don't have too many regrets in my life but I do regret that I left. Once I "snapped back" into reality on the way home, I immediately felt like I made a mistake by leaving.

You didn't. Rest assured about that: you made exactly the right decision. Everybody sitting at home and thinking about a hypothetical situation, wants to help, and would like to think they'd do everything possible to help in the middle of a disaster like that. But you know that reaction that you see or hear about so much sometimes, how people at the scene of accidents very often tend to just stand there and stare like morons, waiting for someone else to do something? People, including emergency responders, have to be trained to not have that natural reaction to such a situation. It's unlikely that in the middle of something so overwhelming you would suddenly come to your senses and gather the strength and mental presence to be useful. That's a Hollywood thing.
 
You didn't. Rest assured about that: you made exactly the right decision. Everybody sitting at home and thinking about a hypothetical situation, wants to help, and would like to think they'd do everything possible to help in the middle of a disaster like that. But you know that reaction that you see or hear about so much sometimes, how people at the scene of accidents very often tend to just stand there and stare like morons, waiting for someone else to do something? People, including emergency responders, have to be trained to not have that natural reaction to such a situation. It's unlikely that in the middle of something so overwhelming you would suddenly come to your senses and gather the strength and mental presence to be useful. That's a Hollywood thing.
I appreciate the response. You are right, at that time I wasn't going to be useful and would have just been in the way. I simply wasn't mentally prepared to see what I was seeing. I was disappointed in my response at the time but I understand it better now. After having that experience, I do feel more mentally prepared for the next.

It seems counterintuitive to turn away from a disaster but sometimes people should. If you want to help, provide supplies or donate to a victim's fund after the fact.
 
A few colleges are offering courses in disaster mangement and such, as I know this first hand. Some of the individual courses were great and definitely would help in these situations. Everyone is right though. Help if you can, but know your limits and that you could possibly find yourself in a bad situation. I would hate to see someone try to do what is right and help, and it comes back to bite them.
 
One thing a lot of chasers forget to throw in their overnite bags is work-gloves. You can imagine how yanking collapsed debris with it's splintered boards, nails, etc. would absolutely do a number on your hands. I always throw a couple or three pairs in my bag in case my chase partner and I DO have to begin rescue work. He packs his own, but many chasers won't have gloves when it's time to get busy digging somebody out of the dirt...and they'll be a much better worker when gloved up. Just some good old Home Depot / Menard's leather work gloves will do...and they aren't that expensive.
 
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