Re-used tornado video from 6/12/04

[Dan Robinson]

This clip is a dual-frame, side-by-side comparison (both using my footage from Rock) showing the full life cycle of the tornado, shown here at 4x speed from the original (four times faster). On the right panel, my footage in its original form and color is shown. On the left side, I made approximately the same edits to my footage as was done to the suspect video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI4Dsuf_OcU

LiveLeak.com still has a copy of the suspect video for comparison:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=917_1215454061

Quote:
Myself, Kristal Kissinger, Al Williams (from the UK), and Grant Johnson met up with Steve Miller and Steve Bluford on hwy 412 at hwy 18 in Oklahoma, then caravanned to Wichita. Followed shortly by Dan Robinson, Pete and Tammy McConnell, and Andy Fabel. Two of Steve M's friends showed up, Mike Lewis and Sean O'Connor. We sat W of Wichita briefly eyeing the storm to our N near Hutchinson.

I was chasing with Dave Crowley and Pete McConnell that day, and at different points there were other vehicles following us and stopping near us that I didn't recognize. I was paying attention to the tornadoes and not who was joining our impromptu caravan. If he was with us, I wouldn't have known either way as I've never met him or spoke with him.

 

[Dennis Sherrod]

If Dan says he never met Andy, I personally would tend to believe him. The post you quote never says they actually got out, walked over to one another and shook hands. I've encountered a lot of people during chaser convergences that I never had the pleasure of meeting just because of the circumstances at hand.

Please elaborate as to whether or not your intention is to smear Dan or call into question his integrity. I may be taking your post the wrong way, but this is the impression I seem to be getting here.

My whole point in this was to show that all of these people were "together" during this storm. The chaser log does not say they arrived together or were in the same car. It is just saying that Fabel was around a lot of people that day who had video of the tornado and gave a lot of sources to possibly obtain video. I have also been around a lot of other chasers that I don't have a clue as to who they were.

 

[Dick McGowan]

Dennis,

Just because another chaser posts Dan's name in the same sentence as that guy, doesn't mean Dan knows the guy, or remembers him. You know how things end up out there, every one shows up and parks in the same spot sometimes. I believe Dan in what he says about the whole ordeal and don't think he has ever met the guy, when someone posted that exact same quote you just did, yesterday.

 

[Dennis Sherrod]

Point well taken by Dan, Dick, and Mike. Sorry it came across that way. I should have highlighted everyone's name, not just that one sentence. My apologies.

 

[Ryan McGinnis]

Here is the video. Both right and left sides are from my footage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI4Dsuf_OcU

LiveLeak.com still has a copy of the suspect video for comparison:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=917_1215454061

That looks like a dead-ringer to me. The guy will be lucky if the AP doesn't end up suing him.

 

[Doug_Kiesling]

If Dan says he never met Andy, I personally would tend to believe him. The post you quote never says they actually got out, walked over to one another and shook hands. I've encountered a lot of people during chaser convergences that I never had the pleasure of meeting just because of the circumstances at hand.

Please elaborate as to whether or not your intention is to smear Dan or call into question his integrity. I may be taking your post the wrong way, but this is the impression I seem to be getting here.

You beat me to the post.

I have met thousands of people while chasing and at the different storm parties and conferences and I could not remember everyones names or even if I met them the year before.

To say someone chased with someone based off the blog from StormGuy is more like saying their was chaser convergence where people showed up. If being in the same location is chasing with someone then I have chase all season with Roger Hill and Charles Edwards, only because they were on the same storms. But I was not WITH them, only in the same area.

 

[Mike Peregrine]

Umm yeah, that would be the exact same tornado.

Maybe you guys got caught up in a temporal vortex in 2004 and were actually looking into the future at the Valentine, Nebraska tornado in 2008. Wow - I'm trippin.

 

[mikedeason]

My whole point in this was to show that all of these people were "together" during this storm. The chaser log does not say they arrived together or were in the same car. It is just saying that Fabel was around a lot of people that day who had video of the tornado and gave a lot of sources to possibly obtain video. I have also been around a lot of other chasers that I don't have a clue as to who they were.

Thanks for clarifying. Wasn't sure as to what you had intended. I just have known Dan from on here and several face to face meetings in the past and he has always left me with one of the more favorable impressions of a fellow chaser that I've had the pleasure of meeting.

As for the rest of this story, I'm going to lay low for most of it despite having my own opinions. I stopped shooting video in 1999 so I'm not going to pretend to be an expert in any of this.

 

[Mike Hollingshead]

That's funny after seeing the video. Nothing says "hide a tornado" like doubling its speed, and having it be anti-cyclonic! The high speed, drunk bird doesn't help either.

ROFL each time I watch that bird half way through.

 

[Doug_Kiesling]

Here is the video. Both right and left sides are from my footage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI4Dsuf_OcU

LiveLeak.com still has a copy of the suspect video for comparison:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=917_1215454061

And add in Sams video from a different point of view.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s7C0DQtnYE


And all I can say is, WOW - Well there is your proof that the video from Nebraska that was sold over the weekend is in fact the Rock Kansas Tornado from 06/12/2004.

 

[mikedeason]

That's funny after seeing the video. Nothing says "hide a tornado" like doubling its speed, and having it be anti-cyclonic! The high speed, drunk, backwards flying bird doesn't help either.

Too bad he didn't use the 91 Andover overpass footage. Would have been cool to see that news crew in reverse actually trying to get away from the tornado.

 

[beaudodson]

And add in Sams video from a different point of view.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s7C0DQtnYE


And all I can say is, WOW - Well there is your proof that the video from Nebraska that was sold over the weekend is in fact the Rock Kansas Tornado from 06/12/2004.

Chaser denies
http://www.ksnt.com/news/state/24333319.html

"Fabel told the AP Thursday that he legitimately filmed the Nebraska storm. He says fellow storm chasers are jealous "if you got a tornado that they wanted."

 

[Mike Hollingshead]

Chaser denies
http://www.ksnt.com/news/state/24333319.html

"Fabel told the AP Thursday that he legitimately filmed the Nebraska storm. He says fellow storm chasers are jealous "if you got a tornado that they wanted."

That's so page 5. lol

 

[Dave Kaplow]

Is there any evidence at all that there was in fact a tornado where and when he claiming he filmed it? The LiveLeak link says it was the 7th... A quick check at SPC shows no tornado reports from NE for that date, and no severe at all near Valentine. Was there even a storm there? I don't see how he could maintain his claims if there wasn't.

 

[GPhillips]

Is there any evidence at all that there was in fact a tornado where and when he claiming he filmed it? The LiveLeak link says it was the 7th... A quick check at SPC shows no tornado reports from NE for that date, and no severe at all near Valentine. Was there even a storm there? I don't see how he could maintain his claims if there wasn't.

It would likely have to have been the 5th.
http://www.spc.noaa.gov/climo/reports/080705_rpts.html