• After witnessing the continued decrease of involvement in the SpotterNetwork staff in serving SN members with troubleshooting issues recently, I have unilaterally decided to terminate the relationship between SpotterNetwork's support and Stormtrack. I have witnessed multiple users unable to receive support weeks after initiating help threads on the forum. I find this lack of response from SpotterNetwork officials disappointing and a failure to hold up their end of the agreement that was made years ago, before I took over management of this site. In my opinion, having Stormtrack users sit and wait for so long to receive help on SpotterNetwork issues on the Stormtrack forums reflects poorly not only on SpotterNetwork, but on Stormtrack and (by association) me as well. Since the issue has not been satisfactorily addressed, I no longer wish for the Stormtrack forum to be associated with SpotterNetwork.

    I apologize to those who continue to have issues with the service and continue to see their issues left unaddressed. Please understand that the connection between ST and SN was put in place long before I had any say over it. But now that I am the "captain of this ship," it is within my right (nay, duty) to make adjustments as I see necessary. Ending this relationship is such an adjustment.

    For those who continue to need help, I recommend navigating a web browswer to SpotterNetwork's About page, and seeking the individuals listed on that page for all further inquiries about SpotterNetwork.

    From this moment forward, the SpotterNetwork sub-forum has been hidden/deleted and there will be no assurance that any SpotterNetwork issues brought up in any of Stormtrack's other sub-forums will be addressed. Do not rely on Stormtrack for help with SpotterNetwork issues.

    Sincerely, Jeff D.

Model QPF Performance 4/14/12

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My memory might be a little blurry -- but did anyone else notice how abyssmal the NAM/GFS (maybe others) handled the QPF forecasts for Saturday over the Plains. If I recall correctly, several models/runs showed NO initiation over most of the Plains until late Saturday night at best, despite indicating relatively little CINH and modest/weak large scale forcing. If nothing else, it seems things initiated earlier than suggested -- with widespread WAA elevated storms over Western Kansas before Noon becoming surface based in time. Where I live in the Desert Southwest, Model QPF skill is typically very poor, but this seems unusual over the Plains, especially for a Day 1-2 forecast.
 
Well, the NAM and GFS are going to rely on convective parameterizations for their QPF for these sorts of events. There's problem #1, because first of all, the NAM's convective parameterization is designed for tropical environments, and therefore has trouble breaking out precipitation in capped environments sometimes. I'm not sure if the GFS's scheme has any similar issues.

Now that we've covered the "will there be rain?" question, now let's cover the "how much?" question. The GFS QPF really shouldn't be trusted for anything much more than location because the grid spacing works out to about 40 km, and we know that precipitation amounts vary on scales that are a lot smaller than that. The 12 km grid spacing of the NAM is a bit better in this respect. But both come back to the fact that the model isn't explicitly predicting the amount of rain falling out of the cloud, so you have to be careful trusting the model QPF, especially the GFS.
 
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