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Did anyone catch WeatherBrains this week? I try to watch as many shows as I can because there are some great guests featured on a week to week basis. This week it was Mike Morgan from KFOR 4 OKC. Many of you knew who he was before the May tornadoes of this year, but many more probably heard of him afterwards. It was a very interesting segment with a lot of bold statements. While I may not agree with WHAT he said, I do respect him for sticking by his beliefs. I see a lot of good Facebook discussion ongoing, so I thought I would bring the topic to the forum. Who saw the episode and what did you think?
 
I've watched it through twice, once live and once later that night. I don't really think the attitude he brought into it was helpful. It's good to stick by your beliefs, but I don't think approaching it with the defensiveness he had is very constructive. I do understand why he'd feel defensive but perhaps it's not the best way to approach a discussion about it in a public forum. I felt a little bit less this way after watching the whole thing over again, since I had missed the first little bit of it live and jumped in right around the time the El Reno chat started. And I agree with you, DNeal, in that I didn't agree with a lot of what he said, but I do respect him for sticking by it. Eh, I don't know; his attitude just rubbed me the wrong way. However, some of the bashing and hate directed toward him is a little out of hand and not very helpful either.

WeatherBrains is working a follow-up episode with Gary England, per its Twitter.

Also, Doswell's comments for those who haven't seen: http://www.flame.org/~cdoswell/MikeMorgan_Interview_Comments.html
 
2 se of Minco we were shooting a wall cloud moving over the town.
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We got onto the unpaved grid south of the Canadian because US 81 south was stop and go. A few of the locals had similar ideas and we were seeing a steady stream of cars moving south down the gravel as well. Several of them stopped and asked me what to do, some blocking traffic behind them. "I was told to drive south. Where do I go?" "Where is the tornado?" "What do I do now?"

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Tornado warned storms moved over several points of gridlock traffic caused by bottlenecks on Canadian River crossings. The bumper to bumper traffic was trying to move south in an evacuation attempt. It was a dangerous situation, and while a lot of factors went into creating that situation, it was heavily influenced by Morgan's words.

Should Morgan be dammed and reviled for that? No, I don't think so. He was trying to warn folks and get them out of the way. "What if..." The main tornado could have kept heading east, and Morgan could have easily saved lives had it hit Yukon and people in that town got south in time. In reality the tornado stalled and dissipated just after his words that were interpreted as an evacuation order were acted upon. Other tornadoes followed, but they posed much less of a threat than the original and largely stayed clear of the snarled river crossings. "What if..." On the other hand, instead of hitting Yukon the tornado could have tracked toward Mustang, striking potentially hundreds sitting in their cars waiting to cross the Canadian on Route 4. Tail-End-Charlie in the complex could have dropped a violent tornado on top of Union City as hundreds were trying to scramble south on US 81. I don't think Morgan could see ahead of time that evacuating traffic would create huge bottlenecks and traffic jams at the river crossings or that training supercells in the complex would pass over the evacuating traffic. However, it's possibilities like these and the dangers that they create, that are exactly why short order, mid or post tornado evacuations are a mistake. The intent was good. The dangers it created later revealed it as a mistake. It's luck the dangers weren't realized, and that they weren't realized does not mean the evacuation was not a mistake.

We all make mistakes and will continue to make them, and that situation had a lot of dammed if you do, dammed if you don't possibilities. We shouldn't be too critical of Morgan for that. I really think he was trying to do the best that he could with the situation.

However, it's 5 months after the fact now and Morgan is still bitterly, even arrogantly defending his actions without acknowledging the potential dangers they created. He's deflecting the blame, masking the issue with dubious claims like "El Reno had 8 times the destructive force of Joplin", and cherry picking quotes that serve his cause while ignoring the specifics of the situation. Sure 35 S was snarled 41 minutes after your words were broadcast. What about the stop and go traffic in Mustang heading for Route 4 15 minutes after your words. What about US 81, 44, 240 and the other highways that were blocked?

I disagree that Morgan should be respected for defending his actions because it's done without tact and for self serving purposes. You have to ignore the situation not to see the dangers the evacuation created, and by doing so well after the fact, Morgan makes it clear that his main interest lies in his own image. He ignores important issues that affected the safety of thousands just to claim, "I was right!" It's selfish. The arrogance displayed with his comments reflects that. If Morgan is to be reviled for anything it's that he fails to acknowledge the repercussions of his actions for the purpose of saving face.

James Spann shared a letter with the viewers about a girl who was killed as the result of his actions during a tornado outbreak. No doubt he saved many lives that day, but it's these failures that haunt him and make him strive to do better. Mike Morgan shared a comment from a random YouTube user that agreed with his own self image that he is right and should not be criticized.

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We all makes mistakes and will continue to make them, and that situation had a lot of dammed if you do, dammed if you don't possibilities. We shouldn't be too critical of Morgan for that. I really think he was trying to do the best that he could with the situation.

I disagree that Morgan should be respected for defending his actions because it's done without tact and for self serving purposes.

James Spann shared a letter with the viewers about a girl who was killed as the result of his actions during a tornado outbreak. No doubt he saved many lives that day, but it's these failures that haunt him and make him strive to do better. Mike Morgan shared a comment from a random YouTube user that agreed with his own self image that he is right and should not be criticized.

I agree with all this, and I thought the contrast between Spann's attitude toward his mistake and Morgan's attitude was really interesting. I made the point in the live chat on WB that night that regardless of whether you agree with his advice that night or think he made a mistake, if he still feels it's good advice, fine, let him stick by that, but his attitude was unnecessary. You make a good point about it being self-serving. Is it really that he thought it was good advice worth defending? Or is it that he refuses to admit a wrong?
 
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We all make mistakes and will continue to make them, and that situation had a lot of dammed if you do, dammed if you don't possibilities. We shouldn't be too critical of Morgan for that. I really think he was trying to do the best that he could with the situation.

However, it's 5 months after the fact now and Morgan is still bitterly, even arrogantly defending his actions without acknowledging the potential dangers they created. He's deflecting the blame, masking the issue with dubious claims like "El Reno had 8 times the destructive force of Joplin", and cherry picking quotes that serve his cause while ignoring the specifics of the situation. Sure 35 S was snarled 41 minutes after your words were broadcast. What about the stop and go traffic in Mustang heading for Route 4 15 minutes after your words. What about US 81, 44, 240 and the other highways that were blocked?

Why wouldn't he defend his actions if he thought he made the right call? This isn't the first time it was documented that OKC broadcasters [not just Morgan] have used that particular call to action verbiage. I watched WeatherBrains show 382 archived of the Moore tornado and on there the panel discussed the very same thing about OKC meteorologists urging people to bail. I personally don't think he is the main CAUSE of the bottle-necked roads; a contributing factor sure. Traffic probably would have been heavy regardless of such call to action statements and I am sure he added to it. As for his claims like "eight times the destructive force" and the Warren Theatre one, yeah... I thought that was pretty arrogant. Almost like when you get pulled over for speeding and you use every line in the book to get out of it. Then in court you blame everyone else for being wrong like he did with the teeth gnashers and haters/trolls.

From the meteorology community what he said [as documented] was dripping with inaccuracies, but really what can be done if he feels so strongly behind his beliefs. As I said above, this is NOT the first time he [or anyone in that market] have done this. It is just the first time it really went BAD.

I disagree that Morgan should be respected for defending his actions because it's done without tact and for self serving purposes. You have to ignore the situation not to see the dangers the evacuation created, and by doing so well after the fact, Morgan makes it clear that his main interest lies in his own image. He ignores important issues that affected the safety of thousands just to claim, "I was right!" It's selfish. The arrogance displayed with his comments reflects that. If Morgan is to be reviled for anything it's that he fails to acknowledge the repercussions of his actions for the purpose of saving face.

James Spann shared a letter with the viewers about a girl who was killed as the result of his actions during a tornado outbreak. No doubt he saved many lives that day, but it's these failures that haunt him and make him strive to do better. Mike Morgan shared a comment from a random YouTube user that agreed with his own self image that he is right and should not be criticized.

I firmly believe he should be respected for sticking to his guns. If he believes in it, why not stick to it? Should he flip flop just because he is in the minority of thinking and give in to the pressure? Personally I don't think he was right in telling people to drive south [for the record.] It's hard for me to decide if he is absolutely being sincere though. Does Mike Morgan say these things because he really believes in it? Or does he continue because he doesn't want to admit he was wrong. I haven't figured that out. He is focusing on the hundreds he probably saved over the thousands he endangered.

As for James Spann..... class act. Rather big of him to own up to that. A lot can be learned from these past weather events in the broadcast meteorology community for years to come.

Is it really that he thought it was good advice worth defending? Or is it that he refuses to admit a wrong?

Edit: Just read Tiffany's reply and echoed it. Good show.
 
Just because Mike is sticking to his guns does not automatically deserve respect on any level in my opinion. He made a mistake, and it's blatantly obvious he did. However, instead of reflecting on that mistake and seeing what can be improved, he is digging his heels and still claiming his advice was good. That does not garner respect....
 
Agree to disagree. I agree that he should be open to improving, even after it was a well documented black eye on broadcast meteorology. [Hey if one chaser messes up, it's on all of us right?] His arrogance certainly is not making the situation any better and it's definitely not making him likable. Personally, though, I can respect a man for sticking to what he believes in more than I would to someone who will crumble to every naysayer. From a professional level I feel he needs to abandon this crusader role and consider the big picture. There's no place for big egos when it involves millions of people. I feel like I am not explaining this right lol it sounds good in my mind, but just seems confusing written down.
 
I guess I am speaking from a human standpoint and not a professional one. It's hard to respect him as a professional meteorologist moving forward until he acknowledges his actions could be executed with more tact and thought. While I feel people should stand up and push forward to what they believe in..... there's a point where you need to swallow some pride.
 
This should be interesting...from WeatherBrains FB: We'll continue our discussion on the 5/31 El Reno, OK, tornado next week with two editions of WeatherBrains. On Monday night, we welcome The Weather Channel's Mike Bettes to talk about his harrowing ride. Then, on Wednesday, we'll welcome NSSL's Dr. Harold Brooks, Chief Meteorologist Damon Lane from KOCO, and KWTV's Gary England, to continue the conversation we began last week.
 
Can't wait to see what Lord England has to say. I grew up listening to Gary since I was a small child back then in the 80s I always remember everyone loved Gary. I was sick when he decided to hang up his radar. I find it very interesting to hear Mike talk about him and Gary relationship. I was kinda surprised by how he was so arrogant acting as if to say he knew more about everything then anyone did. Another interesting comment he made about the Ratings during May 3 1999 he said that his station decided to show the Damage of the tornado while Gary continued to cover the tornado path even though it hurt Channel 9 ratings that in itself tells me You Go Gary Great for you.
 
While I'm sure Gary has done great things - he is also the first to have told people that they will die if not underground (which was wrong, and could have led to as many death's as Mike's statement.) When TV weathercasters and meteorologists make statements that have no bearing in fact (i.e. Mike claiming this was a 4.6 mile wide SuperTornado, and 8X stronger than Joplin based on some imaginary formula) you have to wonder what their purpose is...
 
I can tell you one thing Here in Oklahoma people have trusted and have a tremendous respect for Gary England. No one is perfect we are all human even Gary. What bothers me the most is the Arrogance Mr Morgan displayed. I know he was defending himself but he sounded so much like a know it all like he knew better than the weather service.
 
I had a tough time with his defensiveness and he makes it really tough to sympathize with his situation. It was a high stress situation and May 20th definitely had a hand in what was being said and how everyone reacted, but it comes across pretty much as denial. His answer on what would he change was interesting. Instead of directing people as to what to do, it would be to tell people to "take your tornado precautions now", which puts the onus on the viewer to know what to do instead of reacting to direction. I can see how this would keep someone on the air out of hot water going forward from a legal standpoint, but now that he let the cat out of the bag it makes you wonder what choice the people who have no clue are going to make in that 10 minutes or so warning time.
 
I didn't listen to this, but I do remember everyone blaming meteorologist for traffic gridlock because of their instruction to head south. Was it Just Mike Morgan? I personally would have a hard time telling people to shelter in place in a wooden structure. I can see why he would now just tell people to do what they think they need to do after all this backlash. I've always told my family, when strong tornadoes are a possibility, to either drive to a good shelter well ahead of time or learn radar and get out of the way. Most of them do neither because they simply don't want to worry about it. There are lots of people that don't worry about all sorts of dangerous stuff everyday and most of the time nothing happens. I'm really not sure it would have mattered what these TV personalities said after the Moore tornado so fresh on everyone's mind. It was bad instruction sure and we know that now if we didn't before. I just don't know if I can fault him or for people actually trying to get out of the way in that situation. It would be like standing still on the tracks and a train is headed for you. you can either duck down or jump out of the way. That's how it felt. If it wasn't clear before, now everyone knows that getting out of the way in a very populated area isn't going to work. I guess my main feeling is that everyone is responsible for their own actions and this can't all be put off on a few individuals that were scared for people. I can certainly see them defending their reasoning at the time.

Also, someone said that this forum has spell check and were critical of spelling. It doesn't work for me. Hasn't worked in a long time. When I do try to go back and edit what I have just typed before I post, It just messes my paragraph all up. I mean totally messes it up. Not sure if it's the site or my computer. Some people may be having issues with this.
 
I didn't listen to this, but I do remember everyone blaming meteorologist for traffic gridlock because of their instruction to head south. Was it Just Mike Morgan?

In this event, seems so.

I personally would have a hard time telling people to shelter in place in a wooden structure.

Why? Statistically speaking, 99% of people in wood structures will survive an EF4/5 event.
 
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