• After witnessing the continued decrease of involvement in the SpotterNetwork staff in serving SN members with troubleshooting issues recently, I have unilaterally decided to terminate the relationship between SpotterNetwork's support and Stormtrack. I have witnessed multiple users unable to receive support weeks after initiating help threads on the forum. I find this lack of response from SpotterNetwork officials disappointing and a failure to hold up their end of the agreement that was made years ago, before I took over management of this site. In my opinion, having Stormtrack users sit and wait for so long to receive help on SpotterNetwork issues on the Stormtrack forums reflects poorly not only on SpotterNetwork, but on Stormtrack and (by association) me as well. Since the issue has not been satisfactorily addressed, I no longer wish for the Stormtrack forum to be associated with SpotterNetwork.

    I apologize to those who continue to have issues with the service and continue to see their issues left unaddressed. Please understand that the connection between ST and SN was put in place long before I had any say over it. But now that I am the "captain of this ship," it is within my right (nay, duty) to make adjustments as I see necessary. Ending this relationship is such an adjustment.

    For those who continue to need help, I recommend navigating a web browswer to SpotterNetwork's About page, and seeking the individuals listed on that page for all further inquiries about SpotterNetwork.

    From this moment forward, the SpotterNetwork sub-forum has been hidden/deleted and there will be no assurance that any SpotterNetwork issues brought up in any of Stormtrack's other sub-forums will be addressed. Do not rely on Stormtrack for help with SpotterNetwork issues.

    Sincerely, Jeff D.

Mammatus

Joined
Dec 30, 2003
Messages
246
Location
Oklahoma City
The following links are to a couple of photos taken this afternoon, March 2 at 3:44PM, from the southwest side of Oklahoma City looking NNE.
(links removed)
Is this really mammatus? I was surprised to see this formation since the temperature at the time was about 52 degrees.

Update. On 3-8-04 the photos were removed from the website. Contact me via email if you want to see them.
 
Yes those are mammatus clouds. Mammatus don't just form under anvils, they can form under just about any mid or high level cloud deck.
 
We see quite a bit of non-thunderstorm mammatus here in West Virginia during the winter months, in fact there were some faint displays of it this morning after the frontal passage.

Back in January there was a very spectacular display at sunrise that I didn't get photos of because I was already 1 hour into a sunrise timelapse.

None match the beauty of a storm anvil display, though.
 
Can we expand on this thread a bit? There seems to be some confusion over mammatus clouds and what they represent here in Canada. Can someone give a firm answer as to what they are and what they do?

Personally I believe they are hail producers.

Jared
 
We get a lot of cold-core mammatus out here in Oregon during the winter/spring season. I would really love to see some nice thunderstorm based stuff tho.
 
Mammatus in and of themselves do not indicate a hail producing storm. Mammatus are formed by sinking air - - - for them to form, the sinking air has to be cooler than the air around it and have a higher liquid content. When seen under an anvil of a thunderstorm, the mammatus usually indicate a strong updraft, so there will likely be a hail core on the storm simply because the updraft is strong enough to support water droplets circulating back and forth inside the storm tower and growing as hail.

As was noted by others, mammatus-type formations can also be observed under cirrocumulus, altostratus, altocumulus and stratocumulus clouds.

Last week in Kansas City we had the passage of a super interesting formation. It was a high shelf, with waves that appeared to be like mammatus ... there was virtually NO downdraft associated with this shelf, though from all appearances it looked totally severe! ... Everyone who saw it remarked about it ... it followed me south from St. Joseph all the way to work ... when it reached KC it developed these super cool wave formations that literally made it look like the surface of the ocean. Was quite beautiful and quite interesting. (and yes - of course I got pics!)
 
Mammatus clouds gets its name, because of the puch like or baglike sacs that resemble cows udders. MOOOOOOO goes the cow. LOL Mammatus form in sinking air, when precip is carried aloft, is spread out at the top of the anvil, the precip particles composed of water and ice and since air is saturated and is heavier, it sinks. Sinking air warms, and the warming is used in evaporating the precip particles, if more energy is needed, the sinking air will be cooler than the surrounding air, and with relative humidities of 100 percent, you will see mammauts clouds. Mixing, evaporational cooling and virga seem to play a role in mammatus.

Mammatus often form on the underside of cumulonimbus clouds, especially underneath the anvil and seen more often with storms that are severe, but you can see mamatus with non-severe storms too. Mammatus also sometimes they can form underneath altocumulus, altostratus, cirrus, cirrocumulus and stratocumulus clouds. Mammatus usually are an indication the storms are weakening and threat for severe weather has passed, however they are exceptions to the rule, you can sometimes have mammatus on the backside of a thunderstorm, where you might have the storm dropping hail and/or storng winds. Mammatus are not a sign that a tornado is about to form. Mammatus clouds do not produce severe weather.

Source: Notes I have collected over the years.
Mike
 
Back
Top