Is the FEMA director living on Mars?

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Paula Zahn was just interviewing FEMA director Mike Brown on CNN.

Paula asked why some people at the superdome had gone 100 hours without food or water.

The discussion became heated and Mike Brown is quoted saying the following:

"The federal government just learned of the convention center people TODAY"

What the hell? I can NOT believe he stated this. This cannot possibly be true. He appeared to be scrambling to cover for something they have NO excuse for.

Director Mike Brown, give me a break!
 
This from the same guy who said that there are only a few, isolated incidences of crime in the city. Some of the reporters have said that they are dumbfounded by the words coming from some of the federal officials. It's great to see some of the reports from all the cable networks getting short with some of the elected officials. Shepard Smith, Anderson Cooper, etc, have all challenged, on air, some of the garbage that is coming from the mouths of some federal employees.
 
I was watching that too, unbelievable.

Poor people, god bless them as the sun goes down, and it goes pitch black, no one to protect them........10 thousand people stranded there with absolutely nothing.

Paula is interviewing a woman on the phone now, she is telling how she is at the Convention Center and that there are no police, no national guard, people are being raped and beaten, no food no water, no help.

I can't believe this is happening in the year 2005 !!!! We can't even get help to our own people.
 
I think you are forgetting that all of this situation is really the fault of the mayor of New Orleans ...

Everyone was evacuated to the SUPERDOME ... nobody was suppost to be in the convention center but if you listen closely there were statements in the CNN report that they (the refugees) had broken into the Convention Center

Don't worry ... I reacted the same way you guys did ... I couldn't believe it either ...

Where's Rudy when you need him ...
 
It is indeed absurd. The final words of a man who will soon be unemployed, and he knows it.

But I have to say, I never heard anything about the Convention Center before today. Have you? I think if you search the archives of this forum, you won't find any mention of it before today. Just the Superdome. So yeah, I can believe that whoever sent those people there never bothered to tell the command center about it.
 
Originally posted by Benjamin Sipprell
I think you are forgetting that all of this situation is really the fault of the mayor of New Orleans ...

Everyone was evacuated to the SUPERDOME ... nobody was suppost to be in the convention center but if you listen closely there were statements in the CNN report that they (the refugees) had broken into the Convention Center

Don't worry ... I reacted the same way you guys did ... I couldn't believe it either ...

Where's Rudy when you need him ...

Coordination has been an issue, but, from what I've heard from the mayor, there's only so much he CAN do. He was just as adimant about evacuating the city beforehand, and, in reality, there's still only so much he CAN do. I heard that a lot of the people who were rescued were TOLD to go to the convention center because there would be help there. Relief has be absent there until just recently, when water (and food?) was dropped off there.
 
Originally posted by Jeff Snyder+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jeff Snyder)</div>
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I think you are forgetting that all of this situation is really the fault of the mayor of New Orleans ...

Everyone was evacuated to the SUPERDOME ... nobody was suppost to be in the convention center but if you listen closely there were statements in the CNN report that they (the refugees) had broken into the Convention Center

Don't worry ... I reacted the same way you guys did ... I couldn't believe it either ...

Where's Rudy when you need him ...

Coordination has been an issue, but, from what I've heard from the mayor, there's only so much he CAN do. He was just as adimant about evacuating the city beforehand, and, in reality, there's still only so much he CAN do. I heard that a lot of the people who were rescued were TOLD to go to the convention center because there would be help there. Relief has be absent there until just recently, when water (and food?) was dropped off there.[/b]


I honestly believe that the mayor had enough time to enact some means of evacuating those who could not get out ... like say from the hospitals ... those patients in high risk ... cat 5, cat 4, cat 3 ... there is always a chance for flooding ...

The whole bus idea if he had done that before hand could have happened ... this was a monster hurricane ... everyone was saying it was going to hit NO ... the mayor was acting upon the days it reached cat 5 ... much more could have been done before hand

The mayor is not an effective leader ...
 
Originally posted by Benjamin Sipprell
The mayor is not an effective leader ...
Word. The buck stops there. He was the one responsible for getting the ball rolling. He failed. Had he requested FEMA mobilization earlier, it could have been in place days earlier. He hesitated and he blew it.

It is not at all surprising that those agencies called in after the situation was already dire have been unable to hit their stride. You don't wait until flames are coming out the roof before you call the fire department.
 
Originally posted by Rob_Davis+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Rob_Davis)</div>
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The mayor is not an effective leader ...
Word. The buck stops there. He was the one responsible for getting the ball rolling. He failed. Had he requested FEMA mobilization earlier, it could have been in place days earlier. He hesitated and he blew it.

It is not at all surprising that those agencies called in after the situation was already dire have been unable to hit their stride. You don't wait until flames are coming out the roof before you call the fire department.[/b]

I disagree. From everything I have heard it seems that no one listened to the Mayor Ray Nagin who had a pretty extensive plan laid out. It all started with the national guard ignoring his request to start dropping the sand bags at the 17th street canal.

I'm almost certain he requested federal help almost immediately, but you see the kind of incompetence we have at the federal level when Chertoff had absolutely no idea about the situation at the convention center.

Here is a paraphrased account of an interview with the Mayor on WWL radio earlier today:


Man, Mayor Nagin understandably went off. They were talking about the problem of laws interfering with his request for Marshall law and the problems getting help and how so little had come... He said \"I will probably get in a lot of trouble for what I am about to say\" then lit into the President, Governor, FEMA etc. saying (I have to paraphrase from memory) \"Get off your G-Damned a$$es and get us the help now. He ranted about the dismal attempts at fixing the levee, they lack of food, water, military being brought in and just the limited amount of help... How he didn't want to hear any more G-Damned press conferences and wanted action and not lip service... He said something like.. \"I don't want to hear about 40,000 military coming... they're not here\".

http://saintsreport.com/forums/showthread....threadid=172567

It is not an official news source, but the poster of the original post on the thread is the administrator/creator of the website and he has no reason to lie.
 
Michael Chertoff ignorance

As late as 3 pm CST he was telling reporters that he knew nothing about the horrific situation at the Convention Center even though it was all over MSNBC three hours earlier. Worse, he was telling the NPR interviewer about the Superdome when the reporter asked about the Convention Center.

With thousands feared dead and anarchy in New Orleans, there is plenty of blame for all the politicians involved from ward heeler to President.
 
Days before, this was a hurricane over Florida. To have requested the mobilization of magnitude needed for this disaster beforethe actual incident would have been his end (or saving in this case).

Hindsight is always 20/20. It is /VERY/ difficult to move a large volume of people. We critize and critize; but if you consider how many people -have- been evacuated, 20,000 is a drop in the bucket. A very big drop, but a drop none the less.
 
Man, some people will do anything to remain a fierece zombie apologist for this government. Blame it on the Mayor, huh? The Mayor whose city was destroyed, infrastructure in ruins, streets impossible to navigate, filled with the dead and dying.

This federal government deserves to be skinned.
 
Originally posted by Andrew Geil
Hindsight is always 20/20. It is /VERY/ difficult to move a large volume of people. We critize and critize; but if you consider how many people -have- been evacuated, 20,000 is a drop in the bucket. A very big drop, but a drop none the less.

Indeed it is difficult. But we're talking about the simple bare-necessities. Food. Water. Is that so difficult to get to them? I am appalled by the lag in response to this disaster. Difficulty in aid is not an excuse. Failure is not an option! The lives of thousands of people are at stake. And no, you can't ask for us to be patient, the situation is exigent.

The government should be held accountable for their indecisiveness. Sure, it is an uprecedented disaster, but you've got to start from square one and meet people's needs! I'm glad to hear that some of that is starting now, but I'm still flabbergasted that it even became an issue. :?

Gabe
 
Ah I knew this would happen.

Knew the mayor would get most of the blame by a lot in this situation while others get off easier. I mean the mayor has a hand in this too as the official evac was ordered way too late but if you try to blame this all on the mayor then you're full of it. Gov (and other city, state officials) have to share some blame too as one would think she could go above the mayor and order him to make the evac official on Sat.

But lest I forget this is America. Certain people will always get the blame and made to be the criminals. I like how media has to make sure they balance out the victim image of blacks in the city w/looting stories every 5min. Can't make middle America have too much saddness for them. Despite the fact that it's apparent from most news shots of the city that people are lined up at the Dome, Conv Center and in highways trying to get out and away from water. Looting, Lawlessness is a problem but there's way more not doing these things and waiting like cows in a stable to get out. If everyone there was looting and going crazy as the media wants to make it seem then streets would be packed w/people (as in wall to wall since those streets in downtown are narrow and some 150-300,000 would all be looting in a general area) doing these things.

Again the looting, crime going on now is a problem and his hampering efforts in some spots but damn way more people in need honestly trying to get out. Sad that the few mess it up for others (as bad always overshadows good it seems) but even sadder (but not surprising) is how America is eating this up. Wonder how many won't give to those in need b/c of the looters. Not the Christian thing to do eh, I mean WWJD since people love to bring up God in this country. But I understand the media is for ratings and they're going to play to the demographics of this country and what they think. Also funny how we can take on fire while dealing with other rescue situations in Iraq and crap but not here. Heck most probably see Katrina as helping out w/population control anways.
 
Ya know, the more I hear about what the FEMA director is saying, the more I think of the public spokesman for Saddam's regime in Iraq, when his news addresses would state the the Iraqi army was squashing the American troops, despite the fact that the troops were advancing into the city. I'm not likening NO to Iraq (!), I'm just relating the degree of seperation from reality seems unimagineable.

From the Washington Times:
Despite pleas from two public hospital administrators that they were running out of food, FEMA administrator Mike Brown said there is no truth to reports food is scarce in New Orleans.
\"The state has requested five trailer loads of MREs and water to be delivered today. Those are en route. There was plenty of food to feed last night in the Superdome. There was plenty of food to feed this morning. And there will be plenty of food to feed this evening,\" Mr. Brown said. \"So, any reports to the contrary are just incorrect.\"
Mr. Brown also called the security situation in New Orleans \"pretty darn good.\"
http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20...8001r_page2.htm

So, unless every single media report out of New Orleans is incorrect, the idea that there is "plenty" of food in and near the Superdome is invalid in all regards. That shows a massive disconnect between what he thinks and what is really happening in the city. You'd really have to believe in a conspiracy to think that this isn't the case. You can say some media outlets are liberal and are trying to jab at the admin, but I have yet to see a SINGLE report that confirms Mr. Brown's opinion that the security situation is "pretty darn good". As was just mentioned by Joe Scarborough on MSNBC, this is the first time the NBC has had to hire private security guards to protect their reports and reporting teams across much of the affected areas. Yes, things are slowly starting to get better, but I can't believe he asserts that security in NO is "pretty darn good".
 
Ugh, I've got to stop reading this stuff. Every time I do my blood pressure starts to rise. You could almost see the CNN reporters today trying to throttle the FEMA guy through the tube, and part of me wished it were possible.
 
Michael Chertoff, the Homeland Security Secretary, totally bungled this and should resign as soon as possible.

Thinking about it now I have no idea how this man is in anyway qualified to be the Homeland Security Secretary. His entire career was basically spent prosecuting white collar criminals. He was a prosecutor with the Department of Justice, an attorney in private practice, and briefly served as a federal appellate judge.

His appointment strikes me as pure political patronage. It makes sense to me why Bush appointed Tom Ridge as the first ever Secretary of Homeland Security. He was the governor of a major state and knew how to marshal resources and get things done from an executive branch perspective. Chertoff is a talking head that spouts empty platitudes at press conferences.
 
Originally posted by Alex Lamers+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Alex Lamers)</div>
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The same mayor who rejected FEMA/NHC's request for an evacuation 24 hours earlier?

Bingo.

...Alex Lamers...[/b]

FEMA and the federal government is just now getting around to sending the vehicles needed to transport people out of the city.

Do you actually think they could have evacuated the whole populace of the city (that couldn't drive) in that time span? Moroever, it's partially irrelevant as they cannot physically force people to leave their homes.
 
At least the mayor is stressing his extreme frustration and anger with the lack of speed of the federal response. I still can't even believe what the FEMA director has said, and that's after hours of sleep... [shakes head]
 
(From another forum I posted on)

I'm usually not this harsh but after watching the news coverage of what's been happening (or not happening really) and hearing the mayor of New Orleans and other State Reps. pleading for help, I have become extremely disturbed and disappointed with our country's leaders. I really feel for the people of New Orleans (and surrounding areas) and wish there were something we could do that would bring immediate help to save lives. I can't for the life of me understand why our government took so long to send major aid, personnel and supplies to this ravished region. We should have sent at a minimum, 10,000-20,000 army and/or marine troops there on Monday to assist with rescue. With all of the looting that has been going on, that should have been the other wake up call to send these numbers of troops to keep the peace while rescue efforts were underway. People shooting at our helicopters that are trying to evacuate vicitims from a hospital?? Hell, we'll show you, I'm going to send in 20,000 troops to kick your Arss if you try that again? That would have been my response. I cannot believe that our President and federal commanders did not order these massive numbers to deploy to this region. It is unbelievable.

And now with the article below saying that the federal gov't will step in and "bolster" the rescue effort b/c it is unsatisfactory is just the icing on the cake. The ENTIRE nation knew that this needed to be done 5 days ago!!! Not 6 days after the event. Our President dropped the ball again in a huge way and reinforces my opinion that he is very unqualified to be our leader. I leave you with this: Where is the money, troops and aid that we've sent overseas now that this occurred in our own backyard? I feel for the people of New Orleans (and surrounding areas) and pray that god creates many, many miracles, because our incompetent President surely isn't doing much to help!!! And he is ultimately responsible for his administration. It is a chain of command and he has been failing to recognized a complete drop of the ball while he vacations in Texas for 1 month. Has George W. been watching any of the news stations lately??
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9157866/
 
You can blame a lot of this on 9/11. Just as I predicted at the time, the formation of the DHS bureaucracy has resulted in a worsening of our ability to deal with disaster, not an improvement. There were so much trouble with coordination at the WTC that the entire public safety community -- and especially FEMA -- have put an overemphasis on ICS and NIMS. The result is that in FEMA and DHS, the talkers considerably outnumber the doers. You can't get a roll of toilet paper without filling out the correct form and submitting it through the proper channels 72 hours in advance. Listen to the scanner! Everytime somebody requests something, they get told that it's not available or that it's somebody else's responsibility. For the last four years, this mentality has been drummed hardcore into every agency from the military on down to the dog catchers. DHS, which the President originally opposed, but finally gave in on to shut the libs up, has created such a deeply entrenched bureaucracy of management that the actual responders have been crippled.

So why is aid so late? Because the right people didn't submit the proper requests through the appropriate channels on the right forms. And every man on down the chain is scared to death to make a move without that form because of the strict policies enforcing this system. Consequently, everybody sits in their office and watches their television wondering, "I wonder why they haven't asked us for help yet?" instead of proactively making things happen.

Yep. Cherthoff is a useless tool. So was Ridge. So is the entire DHS. But regardless, the mayor is still the one who caused this situation to become unmanageable in the first place.

The Iraqi Information Minister analogy is awesome! :lol:
 
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'Nuff Said.[/img]
 
To further show that FEMA is a disaster in itself...

3:14 P.M. - St. Bernard Parish officials say that FEMA has not called them yet...five days after the storm.

3:07 P.M. - BATON ROUGE, La. (AP) -- U.S. Sen. David Vitter said FEMA's efforts to deal with the hurricane have been completely ineffective, and he called the federal government's response a failure.

"I think FEMA has been completely dysfunctional and is completely overwhelmed, and I don't know why. This situation was utterly predictable," said Vitter, R-Metairie. "It seems like there was no coherent plan, which I don't understand because this precise scenario has been predicted for 20 years," he said.

http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/WWLBLOG...OG.ac3fcea.html

While everyone is talking about New Orleans, the same cries for help are coming from coastal Mississippi and other areas of southeastern LA out of New Orleans. I'm THRILLED to see MREs and water being distributed in relatively mass quantities today. I'm still floored by the incredibly slow response, but now that it's hear, I'm happy folks are finally able to eat and drink.

It should be noted that conditions in places other than the Superdome are still horrendous by many accounts.
 
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