Hurricane Relief Airlift!!!

Hey I just realized all these people are most likely running out of water, and most also probably haven't eaten in a while. It occurs to me that so many are too far away from resources to get help.

It may be that they need to start an immediate airlift to drop packages of water and food, and possible medicine to these folks until they can get them out. This is about the only decent short term solution I see. There are still those trapped that will have to be rescued from buildings, etc though.
 
I think the only way the materials would get to the people in need is to do it Berlin style with package drops. Unfortunately this creates a dangerous situation as people in desperate times may result to desperate measures to acquire the goods... assault, homicide.
 
I just saw an astonished angry victim being interviewed by news media. She said, This is insane. Why haven't you dropped water from helicopters?!
 
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military helicopter makes a food and water drop to flood victims near the convention center in New Orleans, Thursday, Sept. 1, 2005. Officials called for a mandatory evacuation of the city, but many resident remained in the city and had to be rescued from flooded homes and hotels and remain in the city awaiting a way out. (AP Photo/Eric Gay)


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050901/ap_on_...cane_katrina_43
A military heliocpter tried to land at the convention center several times to drop off food and water. But the rushing crowd forced the choppers to back off. Troopers then tossed the supplies to the crowd from 10 feet off the ground and flew away.

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/...AKMYB42vvXjiw--
 
NOTICE THE DATE: Thursday, Sept. 1, 2005.

Hurricane Katrina made landfall on Monday, Aug. 29, 2005 in the early morning hours. Give me a break. This should have been done about 48 hours ago.

Gabe
 
Originally posted by Gabe Garfield
NOTICE THE DATE: Thursday, Sept. 1, 2005.

Hurricane Katrina made landfall on Monday, Aug. 29, 2005 in the early morning hours. Give me a break. This should have been done about 48 hours ago.

Gabe

Are you there and can you gaurentee it hasant been done? NOPE
 
Originally posted by Kevin Bowman
Are you there and can you gaurentee it hasant been done? NOPE

Can you guaranetee it has? According to those on the ground, this is the first of it they've seen or I've seen.
 
Originally posted by Kevin Bowman+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Kevin Bowman)</div>
<!--QuoteBegin-Gabe Garfield
NOTICE THE DATE: Thursday, Sept. 1, 2005.

Hurricane Katrina made landfall on Monday, Aug. 29, 2005 in the early morning hours. Give me a break. This should have been done about 48 hours ago.

Gabe

Are you there and can you gaurentee it hasant been done? NOPE[/b]

Ahhh...pretty much anyone that has watched television can.

Kevin...by reading your comments on the numerous threads on here it is obvious that not only do you not really know a whole lot about disaster mitigation and response, FEMA, local Emergency Management, and state/local government interaction, or emergency response and operations. And in my opinion, I get the sense that you really don't care about the people that are suffering from this tragedy...all you do is blame them for their situation, and defend the response to this disaster. You have the right to your opinions, but I honestly don't understand how a human being can be so cold and unfeeling towards other human beings. People are dying in large numbers, and a huge number of others are suffering beyond anything that you or any of us can comprehend.

I also understand that you are ex-military, and for that I commend you, but I honestly cannot figure out where your hostility comes from that is directed toward the victems of this disaster.
 
No but the point still stands

What point? That the laws of logic written into the universe dictate that it's never entirely out of the realm of possibilities that you might be right?

It's already been demonstrated for the past two days by multitudes of reporters from all over the world (unless you think they're all lieing, including the numerous firsthand accounts from people who actually live there) that the overwhelming evidence is that these drops have not been occuring, and if they have, they have not been occuring in amounts significant enough to be noticed by anyone or to make any real difference. We can all sit and play pretend that maybe they have and the evil media is keeping it covered up, but that doesn't help people who are starving and dehydrating to death.
 
Originally posted by Chris Sokol+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Chris Sokol)</div>
Originally posted by Kevin Bowman@
<!--QuoteBegin-Gabe Garfield

NOTICE THE DATE: Thursday, Sept. 1, 2005.

Hurricane Katrina made landfall on Monday, Aug. 29, 2005 in the early morning hours. Give me a break. This should have been done about 48 hours ago.

Gabe


Are you there and can you gaurentee it hasant been done? NOPE

Ahhh...pretty much anyone that has watched television can.

Kevin...by reading your comments on the numerous threads on here it is obvious that not only do you not really know a whole lot about disaster mitigation and response, FEMA, local Emergency Management, and state/local government interaction, or emergency response and operations. And in my opinion, I get the sense that you really don't care about the people that are suffering from this tragedy...all you do is blame them for their situation, and defend the response to this disaster. You have the right to your opinions, but I honestly don't understand how a human being can be so cold and unfeeling towards other human beings. People are dying in large numbers, and a huge number of others are suffering beyond anything that you or any of us can comprehend.

I also understand that you are ex-military, and for that I commend you, but I honestly cannot figure out where your hostility comes from that is directed toward the victems of this disaster.[/b]

You are also entitled to your opinon. I know enough about emergency managment that you shouldnt expect the federal government to act extremely quickly. Even on 9/11 most of the people doing the work were local emergency workers and not the feds.

Now to your cold and callus statement, do you think i care what you think? Do you know what ive been through in my life? No so please dont judge me

like i said in another thread im sure at least a few thousand people on New Orleans WERE able to leave and choose not to. Thats really is to bad for them because guess what, any person with any common sense hears a category 5 hurricane is coming, they get the hell out of the way. Sure there are some that cant get out and these people arent going to be helped by the air drops everyone on this site wants so bad. There are armed gangs roaming around freely and that has to be taken care of first. Otherwise the gangs will control the food and water and nothing will get accomplished.
We can all blame bush for cutting spending and not being able to finish the dyke systems but this should have been done years ago, the complacentcy of the City of New Orleans has killed many people. It is very sad that all these people are dying but its not like the National Weather serives and sites like this havent said this exact thing would happen for years.
And as i said in another thread if people had heeded the warning and left the city of new orleans we wouldnt have constant resuces from the tops of buildings and those helicopters could be dropping supplys.

The sad thing is that this was needed and all you can flame me all you want for this. This hurricane will save lives in the future because very few people will hear hurricane warning and think lets ride it out. the idea of it cant happen here was thrown out the window on monday morning.

dont blame the feds for this, blame New Orleans and LA for not having a better plan than the one they had.

to bad New Orleans didnt take this hurricane as seriously as Oklahoma City takes tornadoes

call it cold, call it callus, at least now people know better

and lets not forget, New Orleans is just a small part of this disaster. Maybe that is where the hostilty is coming from because peoples lives have been shattered in mississippi and alabama and they arent getting the same kinda coverage new orleans is. Then again, the recovery has started there because people want to recover, it seems like at least a few people in New Orleans dont want the help
 
A group of tourists wait to be evacuated from a hotel in New Orleans. Frightened Japanese, European and American tourists told how police fired over their heads to end their attempt to leave New Orleans. Stranded since Hurricane Katrina hit the city, the 200 tourists were thrown out of their hotel on the morning of 1 September and said they were confronted by police as they attempted to get to buses to take them to safety(AFP/Robert Sullivan)
http://news.yahoo.com/photo/050902/photos_...mJ2BHNlYwNzc3M-
 
Originally posted by Kevin Bowman


You are also entitled to your opinon. I know enough about emergency managment that you shouldnt expect the federal government to act extremely quickly. Even on 9/11 most of the people doing the work were local emergency workers and not the feds.


9/11 was a completely different logistical situation. There was sufficient local (local being within a 100 mile perimiter) to handle the situation. On 9/11, while there was a horrific number of deaths, it was, for operational purposes, an extremely localized event. There was also no need for humanitarian relief efforts, other than on an extremely small scale. Note: this is not meant to be a slight to the victims of the 9/11 terror attacks, but it is not a comparable event to this one.

We are now entering day 5 of this event. We have a FEMA director that does not even aknowledge that there is a problem
FEMA administrator Mike Brown said there is no truth to reports food is scarce in New Orleans.
We have people that are dying from lack of basic needs. We have a President that stated that looting, even to gain those items that are needed to sustain life, is not acceptable (people stealing televisions and jewelry is another matter). We have survivors that will die days after the storm. People from Biloxi to Metarie feel like they have been abandoned. And why shouldn't they? I'm sorry, but the response to this event is pathetic at best, and hinges on criminal negligence.

If you can drive a bunch of buses out of the CBD, you can drive tractor trailers loaded with supplies in. You can escort them with police and National Guard forces. You can use heavy lift helicopters carrying Intermodal trailer containers full of supplies to get much needed resources to individuals (places like Gulfport, where large gangs are not a problem). You could provide communications teams and/or equipment so that at least some type of communication is possible (the Northshore is a perfect example...completely cut off, even from other public safety agencies).

Everybody from amateur radio emergency communications teams, police and fire volunteers (not individuals, but teams from departments), to private citizens with resources that are desperately needed are being turned away. The party line is that it's not safe, but this just does not stand up. With the exception of individuals, the other groups are trained to operate in disaster situations.

Perfect example...a truckload of heavy duty generators was ordered from Houston by the Jefferson Parish Emergency Manager. These were to be used to get the wastewater plant back in operation. The police and National Guardsman on the interstate turned them away. This is not a rumor, this is a direct quote from the Emergency Manager during an interview on WWL. Now...am I the only one that see's the problem with this?

Four days...four days and people are still starving. Four days and Senior Cabinet Members are still denying that there even is a problem, let alone attempting to make a rapid and effective response.

Four days...think about all that you have been able to accomplish in that time. How much, if you were really under the gun, could you have accomplished in that time?

Four days...and for many, there will not be a day five.
 
Originally posted by Kevin Bowman


...New Orleans is just a small part of this disaster. Maybe that is where the hostilty is coming from because peoples lives have been shattered in mississippi and alabama and they arent getting the same kinda coverage new orleans is. Then again, the recovery has started there because people want to recover, it seems like at least a few people in New Orleans dont want the help

Keep in mind that those other places in Mississippi and Alabama can recover because the waters have receeded. In NOLA, it's not so much that everything's destroyed and the people there "don't want the help." The problem is that everything is under water...which is also hampering relief efforts. It's hard to move people and supplies when you have limited access to the areas.

Also remember, upwards of 30,000-50,000 military personnel are being mobilized for this. In my short 23 years, I can never recall any event that has occurred domestically that has required such a military presence. I can also not remember the international community offering aid to us...my how times change. It takes time to get these resources in place, especially when it's difficult to even access the areas.

I think all of us...even the one's who are "in-the-know" about what something like this could do, are extremely and utterly shocked beyond belief. Reality, while it may be similar to drills and practice scenarios/studies, is often much harder to cope with.

Originally posted by Kevin Bowman


Now to your cold and callus statement, do you think i care what you think? Do you know what ive been through in my life? No so please dont judge me

And this is my only piece of "flame" on the subject, but this kind of bickering is exactly the problem with the people running the show...or trying to. What needs to happen, is for everyone to step back, take a deep breath, count to 10, and solve the problems. Tackle them one at a time and be thorough.

There will be enough time to point fingers later...

EDIT: Oh yeah, if it seems I'm defending the way the relief is being run, I'm not. I'm pretty appalled by it. It's embarrassing that we can't help our on people. But let's be frank, we just weren't prepared. And BTW, I do tend to play Devil's Advocate a lot during arguments and debates.
 
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