• After witnessing the continued decrease of involvement in the SpotterNetwork staff in serving SN members with troubleshooting issues recently, I have unilaterally decided to terminate the relationship between SpotterNetwork's support and Stormtrack. I have witnessed multiple users unable to receive support weeks after initiating help threads on the forum. I find this lack of response from SpotterNetwork officials disappointing and a failure to hold up their end of the agreement that was made years ago, before I took over management of this site. In my opinion, having Stormtrack users sit and wait for so long to receive help on SpotterNetwork issues on the Stormtrack forums reflects poorly not only on SpotterNetwork, but on Stormtrack and (by association) me as well. Since the issue has not been satisfactorily addressed, I no longer wish for the Stormtrack forum to be associated with SpotterNetwork.

    I apologize to those who continue to have issues with the service and continue to see their issues left unaddressed. Please understand that the connection between ST and SN was put in place long before I had any say over it. But now that I am the "captain of this ship," it is within my right (nay, duty) to make adjustments as I see necessary. Ending this relationship is such an adjustment.

    For those who continue to need help, I recommend navigating a web browswer to SpotterNetwork's About page, and seeking the individuals listed on that page for all further inquiries about SpotterNetwork.

    From this moment forward, the SpotterNetwork sub-forum has been hidden/deleted and there will be no assurance that any SpotterNetwork issues brought up in any of Stormtrack's other sub-forums will be addressed. Do not rely on Stormtrack for help with SpotterNetwork issues.

    Sincerely, Jeff D.

Dynamic Pipe Effect / Cyclostrophic balance

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In the easyist form what is the Dynamic Pipe Effect? how does Cyclostrophic Balance play a role in this to?
 
I'm sure someone else can explain it better, but in the simplest possible terms, cyclostrophic balance is a state in which the inward pressure gradient force (which causes air to move toward the area of low pressure at the center of the rotating column) and the outward centrifugal force reach a dynamic equilibrium. In this state air flows freely around the axis of the cylinder, but flow toward or away from the center is suppressed. That's the dynamic pipe effect in a nutshell. When that occurs, the pressure at the center of the column rapidly drops because airflow toward the center is suppressed. This essentially "sucks" more air in at the bottom of the "pipe," causing an increase in the PGF, which leads to greatly increased tangential velocities until cyclostrophic balance is achieved again. This process continues to propagate downward until, in the case of tornado formation, it reaches the surface.

Here are a couple diagrams that illustrate the process.

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Cyclostrophic balance is a balance between two forces: the horizontal pressure gradient force, and the centripetal force keeping an air parcel moving in a circle (you can also think of the centripetal force as being inertia).

The cyclostrophic wind is the wind speed at which a parcel would have to travel if it were in cyclostrophic balance. This is dependent on the diameter of the circular path and the magnitude of the horizontal PGF. The only thing cyclostrophic balance really says is what tangential wind speeds you should expect in a tornado of a given size with a given pressure structure.

So to answer your question, I do not believe cyclostrophic balance says anything one way or the other about the longevity of suction vortices. I'm not an expert on tornado flow and dynamics, but from the research I have seen, I would be willing to put a lot of money on meter-scale friction and drag forces as being significant causes of suction vortices. When near-surface tornado winds interact with the ground and the features on the ground (like trees, shrubs, blades of grass, rocks, pebbles etc.) the diffuse nature of the surface causes turbulent eddies on a variety of sizes, anywhere from a few micrometers to several meters and larger. The interaction of all of these turbulent eddies of different sizes probably contribute a significant amount of responsibility for suction vortices. I may be wrong, but the fact that you don't tend to see suction vortices extend very high off the surface supports this theory.

Jeff Snyder is one very knowledgeable person in this topic. I'm hoping he sticks his head in here and sheds some light for all of us.
 
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