Disrespectful Storm Chasers

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I used these on the chaser near Mapleton with the annoying disco strobe lights installed in their car's tail lights. Hazards are more than enough, and I had to lay down the law as a licensed and registered chaser. The feedback I received was "Accomplished restraint fairly well, while doing so in a fun and flirty manner. Tickled."


hahaha, too funny.

Just a quick question.... do those of you who view yourselves as the "Storm Police"; do you have special plastic badges and handcuffs that you use to identify yourselves when you enforce these type of violations? Where would one get these items? Dollar General or another specialty outlet like that?

lol...nah I think they get them from the machine with the metal claw that you operate with the joystick.
 
Right or wrong, ethical or not.....one important thing to keep in mind when in a disaster area: If you walk up to a damaged dwelling (business or home) unannounced and poking around , you could end up being shot as a potential/mistaken looter. People after such a horrendous experience such as a tornado are terrified, in a state of shock, and extremely emotional and cannot be expected to exercise rational, calm behavior in a situation...especially if it is dark. Whether they can legally shoot you or not (and a resultant 20 page ST thread) is a moot point if you have a big chest wound courtesy of a 12-gauge shotgun. At the very least, law enforcement could arrest and jail you. Depending on a state's laws, they can charge you with any number of criminal counts. Something to keep in mind.

I was going to mention guns too. Most people around here are armed. I don't know how rational they would be in a disaster.
 
If you walk up to a damaged dwelling (business or home) unannounced and poking around , you could end up being shot as a potential/mistaken looter.

I highly doubt someone's going to shoot anyone when they're holding a camera or a video camera and they are taking pictures and/or video.
 
I highly doubt someone's going to shoot anyone when they're holding a camera or a video camera and they are taking pictures and/or video.

Weather you like it or not the bottom line is its illegal, disrespectful without proper permission and in this case unsafe due to a gas leak and power lines down and on the ground within the property. And yes someone could shoot you - like in this case, its not uncommon for damage to occur at night - for all you know the homeowner could either not see that camera or mistake the camera for a gun or weapon of some kind (before you mock this I know it sounds dumb but its not really a stretch considering police have been known to shoot people who had wallets or cellphones in their hands). When a person is in shock (again not a stretch) they don't think clearly.
 
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i dont understand why this is still under debate. Marc Hicks apologized. Jeremy made his point. It was settled. Everyone is going to view this differently. there is no right or wrong here(because others see it differently then another).
 
i dont understand why this is still under debate. Marc Hicks apologized. Jeremy made his point. It was settled. Everyone is going to view this differently. there is no right or wrong here(because others see it differently then another).

I agree, which is why I asked to have the thread locked a few pages back :)
 
I highly doubt someone's going to shoot anyone when they're holding a camera or a video camera and they are taking pictures and/or video.

Really? I'll tell you a story sometime of how I was threatened to be shot simply offering to help somebody whose house had been damaged in a tornado. But please, feel free to test your theory out for yourself.
 
I fail to see how this is any different than what the media would do? They video tape and take pictures of storm damage all the time. I did it after the Murfreesboro 09 tornado.

It's not like they were rummaging around through his stuff helping themselves to the guy's belongings, they were documenting the damage and they have the right to do that. There's no law against it.

Sorry if that offends you in any way, but you should probably get over it.

Drew, maybe when you get more chasing experience, your attitude will change. Or perhaps when a tornado hits your home, you'll view things differently. To compare hard-core chasers to the sorry-ass media in this situation is really lowering the bar. Those of us who chase regularly and read StormTrack now and again I would like to think are a bit more enlightened when it comes to things like rushing up to a guy's demolished home....pawing all over it and taking videos without his permission. If you can't understand that, I'm sorry for you. But trust me....I'll get over it.
 
Drew...I won't say your position is dependent on storm chasing experience, but just may not lacking experience in general (storm chasing really hasn't anything to do with it). SMTX might be overselling the danger, but it is real and should NOT be discounted.

There are so many other issues and concerns that have been mentioned in the thread the bottomline is 1) be extremely careful. 2) be decent and respectful. 3) try to the best of your ability to no break the law. I think we all can live by this and take away what we need, media storm chaser or hobbyist.

LOL...at those complaining the thread isn't locked. If you don't like it..don't read it...self restraint folks...use your will power.
 
Drew, maybe when you get more chasing experience, your attitude will change. Or perhaps when a tornado hits your home, you'll view things differently. To compare hard-core chasers to the sorry-ass media in this situation is really lowering the bar. Those of us who chase regularly and read StormTrack now and again I would like to think are a bit more enlightened when it comes to things like rushing up to a guy's demolished home....pawing all over it and taking videos without his permission. If you can't understand that, I'm sorry for you. But trust me....I'll get over it.

when I get more chasing experience??? are you kidding me??? I been chasing since I was 24 on my own, and been a few times with my dad before that from the time I was 15 till I started going on my own.

these were taken by me after the Murfreesboro Tornado on 4-10-2009. see where I was standing??? Cops, residents, firemen all over the place and no one said a word to me and no I didn't ask permission, the camera around my neck clearly showed my purpose there, "to document".

Documenting things like this tells the world what happened, provides valuable information of what can be done better, what new techniques we can use, how we can improve warning times, construction quality. I'll be honest, I felt a little guilty and awkward for looking a tourist, but at the same time, I knew someone had to take the pictures to show the rest of the world what happened here. This is really no different than a war photographer (i.e Joey the Photographer from the movie "We Were Soldiers Once and Young" with Mel Gibson) who stands there with a camera photographing people getting shot and blown up....but I guess that's ok because it's war right? I mean, there's nothing like your relatives seeing your blood and guts being spilled all over the place on a video documentary or in some book? but you don't hear anyone complain about how insensitive that is!

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rest of the pics here

http://drewgphotography.smugmug.com/Weather/BoroTornado4102009/16381702_FBexk#1231929176_EDq3G


Also been through the May 4, 2003 Kansas City tornado, and saw the damage, been in neighborhoods up there, and no one said a word.

so please don't tell me I don't have enough "experience". I may not be knowledgeable about forecasting but that doesn't mean I'm not experienced at chasing.


Drew...I won't say your position is dependent on storm chasing experience, but just may not lacking experience in general (storm chasing really hasn't anything to do with it). SMTX might be overselling the danger, but it is real and should NOT be discounted.

There are so many other issues and concerns that have been mentioned in the thread the bottomline is 1) be extremely careful. 2) be decent and respectful. 3) try to the best of your ability to no break the law. I think we all can live by this and take away what we need, media storm chaser or hobbyist.

LOL...at those complaining the thread isn't locked. If you don't like it..don't read it...self restraint folks...use your will power.

of course he's overselling the danger, because I've yet to hear of anyone getting shot for taking some pictures.

:rolleyes:
 
Please forgive us Drew when we come barreling up your driveway, seconds after a tornado has hit, leaving you without a single solitary possession, other than your life, as we snap away at what's left of your life, scattered throughout an empty lot.

Be sure to say "cheese".
 
of course he's overselling the danger, because I've yet to hear of anyone getting shot for taking some pictures.
Well, as I said SMTX may be overselling it...but I'm not saying it's without warrant or that he's lying. In fact He's probably closer to the truth than your somewhat dismissive attitude (or at the very least the way your post reads). Wiley comments are just dramatic, I am sure you understand to some degree what many here are saying. But it should be said for everyone (for those that have not encountered specific situations) that your time will come. I personally have seen some pretty crazy stuff. Look around before or after a hurricane. You seen those photos of signs with "looters will be shoot on site". 75% aren't kidding. I can't quote any specific story, but I do remember vague stories of not only well meaning volunteers being shot from over zealous and shell shocked victims, but also reporters. May not have always been weather related, but it doesn't matter. Many people act badly, rational or not. You can't expect rational behavior. Look at the news...we always here about people reacting badly in a situation...and how many neighbors and family interviewed after the fact said, "I never thought they were capable of such a crime". It's almost a cliche in the media these days. THAT is why SMTX original point was such a good one, because he reminded us that there are real dangers even if we are decent and respectful...so being disrespectful can and will likely bring you into hot water fast. Like I've learned to do...read/listen to the advice of others...when there is a consensus, it's pretty good advice.
 
when I get more chasing experience??? are you kidding me??? I been chasing since I was 24 on my own, and been a few times with my dad before that from the time I was 15 till I started going on my own.

these were taken by me after the Murfreesboro Tornado on 4-10-2009. see where I was standing??? Cops, residents, firemen all over the place and no one said a word to me and no I didn't ask permission, the camera around my neck clearly showed my purpose there, "to document".

Documenting things like this tells the world what happened, provides valuable information of what can be done better, what new techniques we can use, how we can improve warning times, construction quality. I'll be honest, I felt a little guilty and awkward for looking a tourist, but at the same time, I knew someone had to take the pictures to show the rest of the world what happened here. This is really no different than a war photographer (i.e Joey the Photographer from the movie "We Were Soldiers Once and Young" with Mel Gibson) who stands there with a camera photographing people getting shot and blown up....but I guess that's ok because it's war right? I mean, there's nothing like your relatives seeing your blood and guts being spilled all over the place on a video documentary or in some book? but you don't hear anyone complain about how insensitive that is!

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rest of the pics here

http://drewgphotography.smugmug.com/Weather/BoroTornado4102009/16381702_FBexk#1231929176_EDq3G


Also been through the May 4, 2003 Kansas City tornado, and saw the damage, been in neighborhoods up there, and no one said a word.

so please don't tell me I don't have enough "experience". I may not be knowledgeable about forecasting but that doesn't mean I'm not experienced at chasing.




of course he's overselling the danger, because I've yet to hear of anyone getting shot for taking some pictures.

:rolleyes:

Nobody is saying or even implying that you shouldn't take pictures and document the damage. The point you are missing is that you have no right to trespass onto private property in order to do so. There is no "tornado aftermath photography" clause in the trespassing laws. You can take pictures of whatever you want from the roadway or sidewalk. If you can see it from there, you can legally photograph it. But as soon as you set foot onto someone's lawn or driveway, unless you have explicit permission from the PROPERTY OWNER (no one else, including police or incident command has any right to give you permission) you are trespassing, and if the property owner chooses to have you arrested, they have every right to.

You mentioned a few pages ago 'that media does it all the time'. They absolutely do not go on private property, they take their footage from the road. If their journalists/camera crew trespass, it opens up the network to major liability. Bottom line is if you want to go onto someone's property to take pictures, you have to ask THEM for permission. You can't just traipse around someone's yard snapping or filming. Aside from being illegal it is incredibly rude and uncouth.
 
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You mentioned a few pages ago 'that media does it all the time'. They absolutely do not go on private property, they take their footage from the road. If their journalists/camera crew trespass, it opens up the network to major liability. Bottom line is if you want to go onto someone's property to take pictures, you have to ask THEM for permission. You can't just traipse around someone's yard snapping or filming. Aside from being illegal it is incredibly rude and uncouth.
Actually the media is on private property all the time, I can vouch for that. It's just the degree of which they do it. Just as an example, how many times have you seen reports attempt to get an interview at someones front door. Lots, usually they are denied, many times they get an interview. How many shooting stories have you seen taken from parking lots of malls, etc. How many "undercover" news stories have you seen. Sure...some of these reports are horribly disrespectful, some are helpful, but they do enter private property and more. But the point still stands...we should be doing it better. We certainly don't want to follow the mainstream media. The media folks here I believe show that restraint and do operate better...it's kinda just one of those Chaser Code things as it has been said over and over again.
 
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