CFDG policy

Well, I haven't exactly martyred myself... as I mentioned there are some other considerations part of which is my lack of time to participate on both boards and the much higher standards there for regular participation. In that sense, trying to be part of both communities for whatever purpose, while leading one of them, isn't realistic.

Tim
 
Terry Tyler said:
that was very honorable, tim...

i think you made the right decision...
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Thats an extremely unfortunate point of view. There is no reason someone with Tim's experience and recognized expertise in the field should be in a position to "decide" which board to make his primary discussion location.

While many here do not appreciate or understand or agree with CFDG for various reasons, that doesn't make it a right vs. wrong issue. It is another location for many experienced meteorologists/chasers to share knowledge, forecasts, and opinions. And now Tim was forced to choose one or the other because of this lack of understanding by the minority.
 
Danny Cheresnick said:
Thats an extremely unfortunate point of view. There is no reason someone with Tim's experience and recognized expertise in the field should be in a position to "decide" which board to make his primary discussion location.
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No one forced him to do anything, and if anyone did, it wasn't anyone on this board.

Danny Cheresnick said:
And now Tim was forced to choose one or the other because of this lack of understanding by the minority.
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Hmm, wonder why there is lack of understanding it? Maybe it's because it has been so hush-hush, and with no one ever explaining the board, people drew their own assumptions. I would also be careful in saying that it's the "minority," because very few on this board who aren't on CFDG, know very little or nothing about it.

Of course, I knew about it, what the rules were, and why it exists. That doesn't bother me one bit.
 
Dick McGowan said:
No one forced him to do anything, and if anyone did, it wasn't anyone on this board.
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Clearly Tim felt it was necessary for the interest of ST. If there wasn't the entire thread of absurdities about CFDG on ST it wouldn't have been an issue. And once the thread was closed, a second thread questioning the motives was started immediately. Thus, yes he was forced into that position.


Dick McGowan said:
Hmm, wonder why there is lack of understanding it? Maybe it's because it has been so hush-hush, and with no one ever explaining the board, people drew their own assumptions. I would also be careful in saying that it's the "minority," because very few on this board who aren't on CFDG, know very little or nothing about it.
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You are using the wrong definition of the word understanding. Instead of "to perceive the meaning of", try "to accept tolerantly or sympathetically".

As for it never being explained, why should it be? Its another forum, a private one, if you aren't part of it, you really don't need to know all the details about it. That really should have been the end of the discussion of it.

And yes the minority. About 10 people (probably less) got all in an uproar about something that doesn't effect them at all. 10 people of a membership of 1100+ is under 1%, an extreme minority by any statistical definition.
 
I've seen a lot of people post on here about CFDG stating "...it doesn't bother me one bit..."

If it doesn't bother people one bit then why are we still talking about it. Because of people's egos a huge rift in the storm chasing community is underway and unless people really do get to the point of not letting it bother them (and I know some people don't really care) this rift is only going to get worse. I already know of at least one person, who I deeply respect, who has left this board over the whole CFDG situation. Based on some of the shady stuff that occurred a little before the locking of the "yahoo" thread, I'm surprised more people haven't disavowed StormTrack. People need to stop and ask themselves if they are really any better than the people they are posting against. A fanatic is a fanatic no matter what side of the argument you're on.


People may say, why are you saying this now...the thread is almost over. To that my response is it's only a matter of time before another variation of this thread comes up.
 
I think the most important observation is StormTrackers don't need CFDG (and vice versa). One came before the other, but both satisfy the needs of their members, which, at the end of the day, is the same.

EDIT: I didn't see Patrick's post before I posted, so I'll add a comment based on his entry...

There will always be a rift in the chasing community, because people just don't always like each other or get along. Otherwise there would be one giant spot on the net where all chasers converged. It's not about who thinks they're better than who, it's simply who gets along with who, who thinks like who, and who is on the same "wavelength" with who. Tons of people on CFDG have seen tornadoes. Tons of people on StormTrack have seen tornadoes. They both house talent, so which one you belong to is of no consequence.

Just my opinion.
 
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Danny Cheresnick said:
...a position to "decide" which board to make his primary discussion location.
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Tim stated his reasons - it wasn't solely because of the CFDG incident.

And now Tim was forced to choose one or the other because of this lack of understanding by the minority.
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First, see above. Second, I'm not sure how you are able to determine that there is a lack of understanding since it's an opinionated topic.

Either way, Tim made a noble decision; to devote more time to StormTrack. Since a supposed requirement of the CFDG group is "quality input" and "frequent contribution", it would be hard to 1) run a forum, and 2) meet the said requirements in a simultaneous manner.

I may be misunderstanding here, but I believe that's what Tim was trying to say.
 
I'd just like to notify my friends on here that I'm going through a very difficult time in my life. Each time someone "jumps ship" or "leaves the board", I want to cry. I worry it was because of me. I worry about what others on private boards think about what I think outloud about private boards, while on an open board. I worry about forum owners jumping the private ships over what I think about being able to talk about private boards on open boards. I'm a wreck of concern. I'm sacrificing my username and password for chasing and the community. There are just times in life where a sacrifice is needed. It's here now. Almost like the end times are near. I tried my cat, but I got all scratched up.

I'm going to pray to the baby jesus now, for the community to be healed.

"Baby Jesus, will you help the chasing community in this time of need? Can you show those who think we're intolerable and not understanding that all the ship jumpers have it worse? Please. Can you create a private list for everyone that needs it, and get them to post on open lists for everyone else that needs it? Can you make sure all statements have one meaning...and it's just how the reader reads it? Is there anyway you could get the children to grow up and the adults to play a bit? Can you exclude me from the having to grow up part? Most importantly, I was wondering, can I keep my own private list, that only I'm on? I like to keep my only worthwhile posts on that one.

Thanks!

PS: Baby jesus, you still there? While we are helping the community heal. I think lightbars for everyone might be a good idea. Light our way. I'm envisioning a massive gathering of friends, like at a big concert, but everyone holding up their lightbars together as one. Imagine....it's easy if you try.
 
Amen.

Heck, I thought this was all over so I haven't been paying close attention. I had no idea we have moved on to interpreting Tim's thoughts and actions. Are we starting a religion here?
 
Mike Hollingshead said:
PS: Baby jesus, you still there? While we are helping the community heal. I think lightbars for everyone might be a good idea. Light our way. I'm envisioning a massive gathering of friends, like at a big concert, but everyone holding up their lightbars together as one. Imagine....it's easy if you try.
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You forgot the "laying there in your main-jer" part. Thanks for the humor Mike - I've always appreciated your posts.

Tim, I can't even begin to understand all the reasons for what you did. I know I appreciate it. Your dedication to ST through the years has been amazing - even with all the other things going on in your life. Many thanks for what you do and the support of the mod team.
 
Shane Adams said:
There will always be a rift in the chasing community, because people just don't always like each other or get along. Otherwise there would be one giant spot on the net where all chasers converged. It's not about who thinks they're better than who, it's simply who gets along with who, who thinks like who, and who is on the same "wavelength" with who. Tons of people on CFDG have seen tornadoes. Tons of people on StormTrack have seen tornadoes. They both house talent, so which one you belong to is of no consequence.

Just my opinion.
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My biggest concern is that someone is going to start another thread (irrespective of CFDG), piss another group of people off, who in turn go and start DFCG (Discussion of Forecasts by Chasing Gurus). The CFDG rift is there and will most likely always be there, but that doesn't mean people shouldn't stop and think about their posts before hitting the submit button.

I have to admit that I am not a member of CFDG, but based on the childish actions of some (not talking about you, Shane) I considered leaving StormTrack - and I don't have another forum to go join. If people are so upset and threatened about a group like CFDG that they feel the need to either consciously or subconsciously run them off, what is going to happen the next time someone (or a group of someones) says something others don't like? Pretty soon all you will have left is a group of like minded individuals. Diversity is a friend to forums like this and I feel StormTrack is teetering on the edge of sliding down this slippery slope.
 
Patrick,

Were you talking about the childish actions of the "Slash R" on someone's website or the "Darwinism" wished upon on certain chasers on various websites? Just curious.

As for that "person" you deeply respect, that left, I know of a lot of others that do not post here (or sign up) for what I posted above. But maybe the person you respect deserves more respect than the person I respect. lol. Leaving Stormtrack is someone's choice, and if that person wishes to leave, I'm willing to bet he has another place to go anyways.

As far as egos go, I think that has to do with why that whole "shady" thread was started in the first place. You're right, a fanatic is a fanatic. And a manipulator and compulsive liar are exactly that. (Not you Patrick)
 
Childish actions are childish actions. It doesn't matter on what side of this argument they occurred. People's responses to the slash crap is what sickened me and had me contemplating leaving.

People who got in an uproar over the slash crap are the same people who want the "veterans" to get off their backs for how they chase. I know people have said that they have learned from past mistakes and don't want to be judged based on them. They want second, third, forth, and so on number of chances to demonstrate they have learned from the past. Yet not a single one of these same people were willing to give Greg and the other CFDGers the same chance. Greg apologized and took down the offending site and yet people are still upset that it happened. Using the same kind of rationale, the CFDGers should still be upset over some of the so called "yahoo" behavior.

As for the Darwin theory quotes, I reserve the right to make a decision about the situation until I can talk to the person(s) involved. Passing judgment on someone(s) before getting the whole story is irresponsible. For crying out loud, people were ready to string up Chuck for his comments and I've yet to hear anyone say they were present when the alleged comments were made. People have no clue as to the context in which the statement was made, whether the statement was quoted accurately, or anything of the sort. I'm sure glad that the US judicial system doesn't work this way.

How one handles one's self when a wrong has been committed against them is a sign of one's maturity.

Two wrongs don't make a right...

(...but three lefts do.)
 
Doswell's feelings on the matter left little room for interpretation Patrick. In addition to that if you look around you can see other first hand comments on how he feels about the yahoo chasers. There was no misinterpretation going on.
If somebody wants to leave, fine. I don't care that he left and I definitely won't loose any sleep over it. I'll give 10-1 odds he'll be back anyways.
Let's keep things in perspective. Once incident of disagreement doesn't translate into intolerance. If people don't like to read threads that are "childish", then don't read them. It's real easy to avoid that stuff. IMO nothing childish took place aside from a few comments from the so called "veterans", and that isn't even a big deal IMO. I make sensational statements all the time. It's called being sarcastic. You can't interpret those kinds of things literally. That's not at all what irked me about the whole CFDG thing.
It sounds to me like you want to give the benefit of the doubt to any of the CFDG guys, but anybody on ST that commented was childish. I don't quite understand that. There were actions that set off this whole thing and then there were REactions from some guys on ST. One wouldn't have happened if the other didn't precede it.
I don't think this is a big deal at all. There is no casam opening up between the chasing community that wasn't already there. Some people are never going to understand or respect how some of the younger guys chase and that's fine. If you want to make public comments on it though then be prepared to have people refute them.
 
Mikey Gribble said:
Doswell's feelings on the matter left little room for interpretation Patrick. In addition to that if you look around you can see other first hand comments on how he feels about the yahoo chasers. There was no misinterpretation going on.
If somebody wants to leave, fine. I don't care that he left and I definitely won't loose any sleep over it. I'll give 10-1 odds he'll be back anyways.
Let's keep things in perspective. Once incident of disagreement doesn't translate into intolerance. If people don't like to read threads that are "childish", then don't read them. It's real easy to avoid that stuff. IMO nothing childish took place aside from a few comments from the so called "veterans", and that isn't even a big deal IMO. I make sensational statements all the time. It's called being sarcastic. You can't interpret those kinds of things literally. That's not at all what irked me about the whole CFDG thing.
It sounds to me like you want to give the benefit of the doubt to any of the CFDG guys, but anybody on ST that commented was childish. I don't quite understand that. There were actions that set off this whole thing and then there were REactions from some guys on ST. One wouldn't have happened if the other didn't precede it.
I don't think this is a big deal at all. There is no casam opening up between the chasing community that wasn't already there. Some people are never going to understand or respect how some of the younger guys chase and that's fine. If you want to make public comments on it though then be prepared to have people refute them.
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You said it yourself. You make sensational statements and people can interpret them anyway they want. However, when Chuck makes a sensational statement, he is [insert you own choice word here]. Again, it goes back to context. If people aren't there they have no idea how it should be taken. This also goes for people's posts. How often do people misinterpret someone's posts as an attack when it was nothing more than a joke or sarcasm?

I do want to give the benefit of the doubt to the CFDGers. I would have given the benefit of the doubt to StormTrackers as well - and a vast majority of them I still do. However, there are some who made post after post making their viewpoints very clear. If I've misunderstood someone's posts, then please enlighten me. Everyone should be given a chance to clarify something that they feel was taken out of context or misunderstood.

Speaking to that affect, I want to make sure I understand something you just said. People are not held accountable for their REactions since they are the result of someone else's actions first?

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I'm fully aware that anything I post on here can, and will, be refuted. I've been around long enough to see that some people will argue about anything. (For clarification: this is not directed at anyone in particular. It is just an observation I've made in my time on this board.)
 
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