Anybody have pics of TIV2?

[Dustin Wilcox]

I can't believe they don't have any of their own pictures given that huge crew, hell I would think some of those camcorders could take grabs better than most SLR cameras. Speaking of the TIV, were there any successful intercepts this year? I know on May 29th as I filmed from the south side of Glen Elder dam, the TIV's came up as I stood outside trying to brace myself from the insane wind blowing across the lake and dam. I remember thinking great their gonna call that an intercept and whne they air the video theres gonna be my dumbass outside filming being blown all around. It appeared they may have been about 100 yards or so too late, though it was still interceptable from the West, hell with what was occurring on the South side of the dam where we were, you could play that off as an intercept and most of the TV audience would buy it...

 

[Shane Adams]

I can't believe they don't have any of their own pictures given that huge crew, hell I would think some of those camcorders could take grabs better than most SLR cameras. Speaking of the TIV, were there any successful intercepts this year?

I keep wondering that myself. I watched the "old" stuff from last year on youtube, but found myself trying to locate the tornado in all the dust during the supposed intercept. I watched it over and over and it just looked like they were overtaken by outflow dust, but I wasn't there so who am I to judge? (By design) I was far more taken with the emotional drama between Sean and Josh as they battled over who was right on whatever day.

With as many people as there are these days getting hit by tornadoes, seems like there might be a "bidding war" in the future over what chaser gets to lead the TIV crew around.

 

[Ryan McGinnis]

I know when I came upon the TIV2 (and took some photos of it), I was a little bit surprised to find no TV crew and no photography unit covering it. Not surprised because I think there should have been, but surprised because of the sheer mass of the convoy that usually goes around with the Wurman crew -- you'd think they'd have a couple filmographers or a photographer with nothing better to do than to follow around the TIV2. I mean this was like 15 minutes after the Kearney, Nebraska tornado, and I'd just blown past a Discovery Channel film unit filming the storm an interstate exit back. Maybe they were testing the TIV2 out or something and didn't want lots of attention.

At any rate, maybe Sean can clarify -- I suspect these photos he's requesting are not for the Discovery Channel, but for his own self promotion? I mean, if it were for the Discovery Channel, I would be shocked -- *shocked* -- if they didn't have their own hired photographer to document the filming, if for no other reason that pictures of the TIV2 would make pretty great magazine ads for the show, and a day rate for a good photographer is a lot cheaper than paying per-picture stock rates. I mean, they have a BOATLOAD of videographers, some with little Ansel-Adamseque platforms built atop their SUVs... but no photographers?

While I am not offended that Sean would ask (he may not have a spare grand or two to spend on pictures of his vehicle), I hope it's not as a surrogate for the Discovery Channel. The Discovery Channel can afford to pay for stock photography.

 

[Chris White]

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At any rate, maybe Sean can clarify -- I suspect these photos he's requesting are not for the Discovery Channel

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If that's the case I would settle for/love a limited edition signed XXL 'Into Tornado Alley' (2009) t-shirt, scratch the signed boxed set season 1 'Storm Chasers' DVD set that would just be in-appropriate.

 

[Mike Hollingshead]

While I am not offended that Sean would ask (he may not have a spare grand or two to spend on pictures of his vehicle), I hope it's not as a surrogate for the Discovery Channel. The Discovery Channel can afford to pay for stock photography.

I think that is what most posting in here think it's for, including myself.

I too am shocked they don't have this covered themselves anyway. Makes little sense to me, it really does.

 

[Ryan McGinnis]

I think that is what most posting in here think it's for, including myself.

I too am shocked they don't have this covered themselves anyway. Makes little sense to me, it really does.

LOL, beats me, too. And after getting a slightly snarky/ironic reply from Sean in the ol' email for not letting him have promotional pictures of his vehicle for free (I offered him some free prints for his own personal, non promotional use if he wanted them, but that wasn't what he's after) I suppose I should revise my opinion from not offended to a bit offended. It's one thing to ask a professional for a big freebie (and it is a BIG freebie), but I just don't know what to say when people cop an attitude when I kindly refuse to give them for free the product that I create to make a living. I suppose there usually isn't much useful to be said.

 

[James Langford]

LOL, beats me, too. And after getting a slightly snarky/ironic reply from Sean in the ol' email for not letting him have promotional pictures of his vehicle for free (I offered him some free prints for his own personal, non promotional use if he wanted them, but that wasn't what he's after) I suppose I should revise my opinion from not offended to a bit offended. It's one thing to ask a professional for a big freebie (and it is a BIG freebie), but I just don't know what to say when people cop an attitude when I kindly refuse to give them for free the product that I create to make a living. I suppose there usually isn't much useful to be said.

No kidding. Huh. I was holding off judgement on what he was looking for, but now I am not very impressed. Your shots are stellar, and certainly worth the money you are looking for in licensing. I would definately be offended too.

James

 

[Dick McGowan]

I have a couple of cell phone pics a little bigger than my avatar I would let use for a box of raisins and a #2 pencil. PM if interested.

 

[Jason Boggs]

LOL, beats me, too. And after getting a slightly snarky/ironic reply from Sean in the ol' email for not letting him have promotional pictures of his vehicle for free (I offered him some free prints for his own personal, non promotional use if he wanted them, but that wasn't what he's after) I suppose I should revise my opinion from not offended to a bit offended. It's one thing to ask a professional for a big freebie (and it is a BIG freebie), but I just don't know what to say when people cop an attitude when I kindly refuse to give them for free the product that I create to make a living. I suppose there usually isn't much useful to be said.

This is a perfect example of why it's not even worth dealing with someone that wants this kind of stuff for free. They cop an attitude and wonder why they have to pay for something when they think they deserve/can get it for free. You did the right thing Ryan.

 

[Ryan McGinnis]

This is a perfect example of why it's not even worth dealing with someone that wants this kind of stuff for free. They cop an attitude and wonder why they have to pay for something when they think they deserve/can get it for free. You did the right thing Ryan.

Well, it's not always a bad idea to work with people who at first ask for something for free. I think the utility of it goes down with the experience/size of the business that's doing the requesting. I get requests every now and then on Flickr from people from small time outfits asking for free useage. Hey, I run a garageband, can I use your picture on our album -- that kind of stuff. They never buy anything because the prices involved are not useful for someone with a tiny, tiny budget -- and honestly, that's what microstock is for. But ocassionally, you get an ad agency kick the tires and ask if they can use the image. Agencies have budgets and experience -- and invariably, once you quote a price to them, they end up licensing. It's not that they can't afford to pay for pictures, it's just that it's almost ignorant these days not to throw the freebie idea out there, since so many photographers seem to (for some stupid reason) bite.

Anyhow, I suspect that if Sean finds any imagery of his vehicle to use for promotion, it will either be imagery he takes himself or amateurish imagery... most of the people 'round these parts who know how to sling a camera don't shoot for others for free. Or even for a T-Shirt. Hell, even my few shots were a complete fluke; just something I managed to fire off before they drove the tank the wrong way off of an onramp, across 50 yards of divider grass, and onto the interstate. Go baby, go!

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2318/2540002993_eea0273a3b.jpg

 

[Ryan McGinnis]

Sean's told me via email that I misinterpreted his first email -- i..e, that he wasn't being ironic/snarky, he was actually being literal when he said "Hope you make some cash off of images of our vehicle!". I take him at his word, so, Sean -- I'm sorry! I shouldn't have inferred that you were being sarcastic with me before I knew for sure.

 

[Sean Casey]

I should have kept a better finger on the pulse of this thread...

I guess it sounds cheap, an offer of a t-shirt, sorry about that. I just don't have lots of money for the new website I'm trying to throw together.

And, yes you'd think with the size of our crew we could have managed to do so, but it wasn't a specific job anyone had, so it didn't get done.

I would include a set of "SC" in the offer(if anybody wanted one), but Discovery didn't give me any.

So yeh I'm a cheap skate and it's mentally/financially hard for me to pay over $700 for a photo of a vehicle I built. I guess it's time to fire-up Photoshop.

Thanks though, to those who have offered.

 

[Sean Casey]

Oh, I forgot to mention that the sound you were hearing while reading my post was a violin.

 

[Dustin Wilcox]

So back to being off topic; did you guys have any successful intercepts this year?

 

[Sean Casey]

I completley understand that Ryan. It costs a lot to be out there chasing storms and when you get a shot it's a prize. A prize that has worth and should be valued as such by getting paid for it. I just can't pay for it. But I do hope that Discovery will, in fact I'll bring the photos you took to their attention.