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3/25/2007 DISC:MN/IA/WI

I don't care if I offend anyone, it's freakin March and you're wondering why there aren't any tornadoes up in Wisconsin and Minnesota, while on the same day there was a tornado in Texas which should have give you a very good clue as to why you're not seeing any tornadoes in Wisconsin. I know, I was there for March 12th as well but that is THE exception. You're probably looking at this Wednasday as well thinking South Dakota looks pretty good too but you would probably have to be a few hundred miles south to get the good stuff. Keep focused guys and practice patience, I know it sucks, we're not there yet but we're close.
 
How does a landspout in Texas affect the tornado threat in WI/MN? SD is not in the Wednesday outlook, so to be honest I really don't understand what your post is supposed to be saying...
 
Sean McMullen said:
I don't care if I offend anyone, it's freakin March and you're wondering why there aren't any tornadoes up in Wisconsin and Minnesota, while on the same day there was a tornado in Texas which should have give you a very good clue as to why you're not seeing any tornadoes in Wisconsin. I know, I was there for March 12th as well but that is THE exception. You're probably looking at this Wednasday as well thinking South Dakota looks pretty good too but you would probably have to be a few hundred miles south to get the good stuff. Keep focused guys and practice patience, I know it sucks, we're not there yet but we're close.
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Well that is insightful. If you're willing to "offend" perhaps try that out before the day is over. Using the climo excuse rather than simply saying what wasn't right is pretty weak, imo. I guess it is easier reasoning. I'm guessing all that chased today knew what month it was and what state they were in.
 
Time of year has no bearing on what's occuring now. Low CAPE in January is just as ineffective as low CAPE in July. Same applies to shear... So, I'm not buying the argument that "...it's freakin March" -- if the thermodynamics and kinematics are there, it will tornado. In the case of tonights show, the conditions do not appear to be favorable for tornadoes (and not because of the name of the month on the calendar).

March Tornadoes --

WI: http://www.tornadohistoryproject.co...&co=&l=500&submit=Search&format=basic&p=1&s=1
MN: http://www.tornadohistoryproject.co...&co=&l=500&submit=Search&format=basic&p=1&s=1
MI: http://www.tornadohistoryproject.co...&co=&l=500&submit=Search&format=basic&p=1&s=1
 
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rdewey said:
the conditions do not appear to be favorable for tornadoes (and not because of the name of the month on the calendar).
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What conditions dont appear favorable, and if those unfavorable conditions are not the result of the climatological clock then what is the cause. I'd say if the same system of the same strength moves through two months from now you have yourself a pretty good show.
 
rdale said:
That makes no sense... The weather has no idea what month it is.
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Yeah I forget thats why I always see 70 degree dewpoints and 90 degree temps in Wisconsin in March but not in June its not a matter of the weather knowing what month it is its a matter of available parameters given the season

I would like to hear an educated explanation or a Collaboration of reasons as to why today was a bust, if it wasn't due to the lack of parameters due to the season then why did today bust?
 
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rdale said:
How does a landspout in Texas affect the tornado threat in WI/MN? SD is not in the Wednesday outlook, so to be honest I really don't understand what your post is supposed to be saying...
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Yeah whatever, you know what the hell I'm saying so don't play dumb. You know, I'm sorry I was able to look at todays set up early this morning and realize whats going on.

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Originally Posted by Sean McMullen
I don't care if I offend anyone, it's freakin March and you're wondering why there aren't any tornadoes up in Wisconsin and Minnesota, while on the same day there was a tornado in Texas which should have give you a very good clue as to why you're not seeing any tornadoes in Wisconsin. I know, I was there for March 12th as well but that is THE exception. You're probably looking at this Wednasday as well thinking South Dakota looks pretty good too but you would probably have to be a few hundred miles south to get the good stuff. Keep focused guys and practice patience, I know it sucks, we're not there yet but we're close.

Well that is insightful. If you're willing to "offend" perhaps try that out before the day is over. Using the climo excuse rather than simply saying what wasn't right is pretty weak, imo. I guess it is easier reasoning. I'm guessing all that chased today knew what month it was and what state they were in. Today 12:12 AM

There wasn't anyting wrong with today, what wasn't right was your forecast, period point blank. Believe me, I wanted today to pan out just like everyone else but I just had to say to myself, "Its freakin March just be patient." Beleive me, I was ready to tear ass out to NC Iowa and I had to talk myself out of it. I'm just saying remember what time of year it is.
 
You said if THIS same system was in June it would be a show... THIS system had 70 temps with 55 dews, so 70/55 in June would be just as marginal.
 
You are telling me that if we had the exact same weather as today, but the calender said June, we would have had a tornado outbreak? Why didn't we all just change our calenders then? Shoot, if I knew that's all it took I would just eliminate October-March on all my calenders so that all storm systems would produce tornadoes, regardless of the weather conditions!
 
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Sean McMullen said:
Yeah whatever, you know what the hell I'm saying so don't play dumb. You know, I'm sorry I was able to look at todays set up early this morning and realize whats going on.
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Honestly, I don't get the connection.

And if you did post earlier today that this would be a non-event, good hit! But that's not my point...
 
rdale said:
You said if THIS same system was in June it would be a show... THIS system had 70 temps with 55 dews, so 70/55 in June would be just as marginal.
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I think your overlooking my point, what I am trying to say (and thought I did efficently enough but I guess not) is if you had this same system meaning same trough, associated wind profiles and low pressure in June you wouldn't be at 70/55 as was the case; in June you would be sitting 80/65-70

APritchard said:
You are telling me that if we had the exact same weather as today, but the calender said June, we would have had a tornado outbreak?
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not the same exact weather but the same exact system with axccess to 65+ DP and warmer temps then yeah we would surely have at least a lot better shot at a tornado outbreak
 
APritchard said:
That is NOT the exact same system!! Different weather, different system... how does that not make sense?
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Dustin Wilcox said:
I think your overlooking my point, what I am trying to say (and thought I did efficently enough but I guess not) is if you had this same system meaning same trough, associated wind profiles and low pressure in June you wouldn't be at 70/55 as was the case; in June you would be sitting 80/65-70
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I'll answer your question with a quote from above cause it think it answers your question. I guess I dont consider mositure availability part of the system its self. So once agian I will try to simplify my statement for you, take a 985mb low put it in MN in March you might get 60 dp's in WI, but with a low of the same strength in the same location in June you might see 70dp's I guess if you consider the mositure source the system itself instead of the gulf then it wouldnt make sense. If you have anymore comments regarding my opinion please just PM me.
 
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