What happened to all the live video streams from storm spotters?

[rdale]

Tell us how you really feel Do you find a lot of chasers doing all that for TV stations for free?

 

[Dan Robinson]

At least the ones I've talked to have expected that from me. Kudos to anyone who gets farther than that! It's rare outside of the Great Plains.

 

[Jason Foster]

Spotters I guess are either:
1) not seeing a return on their expected "dream" of making lots of money on their video
2) seeing the same as chasers in that it is kinda cumbersome to stream and watch the sky at the same time.

I guess it is a different thread that talks about chasers bailing on streaming. Admittedly, I doubt I'd stream if/when I end up in the plains. I would still do it here in Florida. Last year I paid into the new CTV when Scott took it back from WDT but never got it going (maybe I can convince Scott to give me another discount to start again this season).

Ya'll probably have watched it way more than me....do Florida spotters even stream here? I know in Maryland, no one streamed except me and maybe one other person. I actually got more activity and fun out of streaming snow storms. I know further north @Dave Lewison and Scott McPartland did winter streaming too.

I do admit...I miss the days of exclusive licensing of the stream. That was a nice few hundred bucks for a days worth of chasing (or hurricane intercepts as was more common for me).

 

[Randy Denzer]

When we started at TVN the market was pretty open and I think there were about 20 of us streaming. I hit 500,000 plus viewer minutes the second season and hit my high viewer count during my CNN stream of the Cherokee twins (4000+). It was fun at times for family and friends to watch, but a hassle. And then there is the times you forget that your on live stream and pick your nose (or much worse). Nothing like having your buddies call to tell you that you were live on News9 behind Gary England giving a thumbs up when he is talking about the death and destruction that just occurred.
I sure can tell you that chasing became a serious pain while butt streaming. Chasing is now about seeing the storms again and not being killed or maimed by cell phone chasers!

And Dan, there is were a couple items even worse than live streams. Tornado Tanks and Dome Cams were even worse!

 

[John Wetter]

I've streamed for about 6 or 7 years now and I can honestly say I've never found it to be the burden so many people are speaking of it being. If I'm in a bad coverage area, incoming data is just more important so I stop the stream. I mostly do it though so family and friends can see what I'm up to... Maybe that's why it isn't a burden, there isn't any pressure for me. So, when I make a little money, that's a win, but I never count on it and I also know that the NWS offices appreciate being able to get their eyes on a storm sometimes so I find personal value in that. I guess to each their own?

 

[Dan Robinson]

I received a comment on my Facebook page from someone that figured out that the extra data used in streaming costs him an average of $5 to $10 per chase, or around $50 a month. I'm not sure if that's what others are seeing, but that's an interesting figure.

As for my friends and family, I post all of my photos and videos after the chase is over so that all can see what I saw. I think that really should be good enough. I doubt most of my friends or family would tune in. Even when I watch a stream while I'm "armchair chasing", I'm not glued to any one stream for longer than a few minutes, even if something is happening.

A "set it and forget it" setup would in theory be OK, but that camera's going to miss a lot of the action if you're not constantly adjusting it or pointing your vehicle the right way. In that case, I can't see the point. And even the most hands-off setup will still chew up data.

I know of a couple of chasers who have had success by building a large personal following around it and interacting with those viewers during the entire chase. That requires a unique personality though, one that most of us don't have.

 

[Chad Alcares]

My chase partner Steve Blum and I used to live stream on chasertv back in the old WDT days. I wasn't doing much in terms of videos back in those days, or even photos... just go out there and stream. Simple setup, sony lifecam velcro'd to the dash connected to a laptop. Started doing this back in 2011 - had launched a message board called Weather Weenies and posted our chasing antics on there. We would stream, have audio on and interact on facebook while heading out to the chase. It actually was quite fun, but yeah with popularity comes it's downfalls. Again the burden of keeping the stream going without freezes or spotty data caused this to be more a hassle than something fun to do, Steve has stopped streaming and gone pretty much all phototography. Now if solo, I'll live stream... it's low key - I don't announce I'm doing it anywhere, but I'll pop up on severestudios with a live video out the front - no audio. It's easier for me as I'm not much a photographer or videographer, just a here and now presently watching amazing weather type of chaser. If the connection dies out, it dies out... no rebooting computer or connection. Still love to watch them though. Although not hours on end, but like to see the different tactics to get on storm and the different views the chasers have live.

 

[Lanny Dean]

Truthfully? Streaming was just a fad that came and went just like anything else, especially after most of us realized that more cons than pros existed in the streaming world.




I started streaming back in 2005 with Inmarsat equipment while employed as a severe weather photographer and reporter for KAKE-TV. I was fortunate to be able to stream the very first live tornado in Kansas (Fowler KS F-2) that same year. In 2009 I started streaming CTV long before the WDT days. In fact, I lightly assisted with the end user stuff before it went viral and was the first person to stream a live tornado via that service. At the time it was a wonderful idea and was somewhat fruitful not to mention a lot of fun. However with the start of the 2011 season, I ceased all streaming.

The decision to no longer stream came down to a pro vs. con type thing for me - much of which Dan Robinson has eluded to in his blog. I just couldn't justify the extra bandwidth use, the time spent always checking and jacking with equipment, trying to remember your media passwords and info in the heat of battle, trying to compete with 99% of every other chaser - especially after the WDT viewer minutes stuff, all the private messages, emails and phone calls from Joe blow telling me that I needed to position my camera so that he could see the entire field of view, having to adjust frame rate and the like from rural setting to city (and I don't care how you tell me that your stream stays up all the time - if you have streamed before with anything other than satellite, you will NEVER have a perfect stream or 100% connection - you will have issues here) There is no set it and forget it option out there, that keeps you connected 100% of the time no matter what they say. At least not yet. I am sure you get my point. The only pro that I got out of it was that my wife and children could see me and somewhat interact with me during the tours. that's it.

The most user friendly service was CTV no doubt, but the most reliable streaming service I have ever used was Inmarsat. Constant connection albeit with slow frame rates (10-15FPS) but even they are on their last leg.

I have no desire to stream again as there are zero rewards to it and with the listed issues above why? I would encourage some of the younger chasers who might be interested in streaming while chasing to view Dan's info and them make a decision.

 

[rdale]

I've done some tests with just my iPad and UStream.tv and so far it's been set it and forget it. Video quality is on par with my webcam / GPS / laptop / laptop charger / WiFi combo, and it takes about 3 seconds to set up versus 5 minutes and duct tape

 

[David Reimer]

I seem to be the minority here but I enjoyed streaming back in 2010-2012. With CTV/WDT I would usually make $500+ a month during the spring just from video views alone. After not streaming in 2013 and 2014 the followers of my company pretty much begged for live video again. I tried Google Hangouts (YouTube Live) a few weeks ago and got used to running it in the field. Last week I set it up with a different method and I can say it pretty much is a 'set and go' type operation. For a marginal chase day I ended up gaining several hundred subscribers to my YouTube channel and a decent boost in YouTube revenue. I have no doubt I'll be able to recoup any data fees with revenue from YouTube based on my two streams so far this year.

As for media use I also have a unique view on it. If a local media outlet in the area I'm chasing in wants to use my stream I'll let them for no cost. If my live video can provide the needed 'second source' of verification to the public then that in itself is a complete success for me. I'd probably even let the national networks use my stream for free as long as they only used it live and didn't record it. The streaming game has changed big time from 2011. No longer do I need to 'pay' some company or use a chasing company's services to stream my video. I'll stream directly to YouTube where server problems are non-existent and the video will work on every device (mobile or not).

 

[Lanny Dean]

@David Reimer I know this may sound like asking for your target area on a good chase day, but would you mind giving info and details on Google live? A PM would work as well....I *might* be interested in that with the way you have described it.

 

[David Reimer]

@Lanny Dean No problem! You can use the Google Hangout platform to stream video or a third-party program like Wirecast or Adobe Flash Media Encoder. YouTube has a great little section to help get you set up at https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2474026?hl=en

 

[Stan Rose]

Ive watched hundreds of live streams, and almost without exception they were all terrible. Horrible, horrible quality and painfully boring...I think of the hundreds of streams I might have seen 2 or three interesting catches (like tornadoes...). Stting for 12 hours waiting for a cap bust is more exciting. Maybe I was watching the wrong streams... Until the quality improves, I'll try to restrain myself from watching, although like a bad car wreck it's hard to turn away sometimes.

 

[Dan Robinson]

I can understand the charitable angle to some degree, though, I think it's something that frequently leads to chasers' generosity getting taken advantage of. I think of how a live shot of a storm/tornado in a station's viewing area (especially on national TV) is something they probably covet greatly and possibly even consider budgeting for, as those are high-ratings type events that significantly benefit a station. Think of how they send that Bell JetRanger up every day to cover morning traffic - those things aren't cheap to fly. I feel that if a station wants to approach chaser storm coverage from the angle of serving public safety, that they should help out the lowest guy on the totem pole (the photographer/chaser) while doing so. And yes, we ARE the "little guy" in the process - always remember that. All of the other players farther up the chain are getting a nice paycheck, but it's always us "little guys" who are made to feel like we should donate our part of the effort or else face scorn for being "about the money".

 

[ngjere]

Let's not forget that when you give media entities your permission to "use" your stream, video, photos, etc. it is done so under the assumption that unless you have a specific licensing/usage agreement in place with that media entity, you give them permission to use the material "in perpetuity, worldwide on any platform available now or created in the future." Basically, what that means is while they can't "sell" your work, they can distribute it through any media channel they may own. Forever. This basically has the effect of diluting the unique value of your work to nil. And they haven't spent a dime for that right.

So the next time you have some media entity ask you for permission via Twitter to use your material for "credit" think very carefully about the possible future value of that photo or video to you...