Timmer Aurora Intercept

Maybe I've just been living under a rock or something, but I hadn't heard hide nor hair of this awesome video of Reed Timmer intercepting the Aurora, Nebraska tornado earlier this year. Blew out his window and everything!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Qu9wR03GVA&fmt=22


LOL! You have been under a rock. Some of the best structure to on that storm. One of the best so far this year. Besides the awesome Valentine, NE right mover on July 13th. All in all been a decent year given the late start.
 
No, I knew about the Aurora tornado -- but I didn't know Reed intercepted on it. I was more astounded by the video. Reed actually had blood running down his face at the end.
 
Gives the term 'First Blood' a whole new meaning.
It's one thing to get your vehicle pummeled by gorilla hail; and quite another to get some personal injury from a storm...

I'm kinda curious what kind of windows Reed's new vehicle has. I know the TIV guys go for impact-resistant (i.e. bulletproofish), which would seem to make the most sense if you plan to drive into tornadic windfields. I'm assuming Reed's side windows are just normal tempered glass, since the window blew out all at once and seems to have chucked tiny bits of glass into his eye hard enough to cause him to stream blood. Might be worth a design modification for next year!
 
I'm kinda curious what kind of windows Reed's new vehicle has. I know the TIV guys go for impact-resistant (i.e. bulletproofish), which would seem to make the most sense if you plan to drive into tornadic windfields. I'm assuming Reed's side windows are just normal tempered glass, since the window blew out all at once and seems to have chucked tiny bits of glass into his eye hard enough to cause him to stream blood. Might be worth a design modification for next year!

From what I understand he has two different windows on the SRV. He has the normal tempered glass windows and some type of of outer window that is supposed to be impact resistant. But he didn't have time to get the outer window rolled up before they were impacted, so the normal glass took the impact and broke.
 
From what I understand he has two different windows on the SRV. He has the normal tempered glass windows and some type of of outer window that is supposed to be impact resistant. But he didn't have time to get the outer window rolled up before they were impacted, so the normal glass took the impact and broke.

Ah, that makes sense. I'm guessing they'll roll those bad boys up next time. :) "Right. That's bad. Okay. All right. Important safety tip. Thanks, Egon."
 
Here and here are some entries from the TVN blog to explain a little more about what happend. Dick's shot, for reference, is below:

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Since this topic reminded me, figured I'd might as well bring it up here. I found/find it interesting that in their intercept, they mention measuring 138.8 mph winds. Given the logistics that I recall, and by watching their video as well as reliving the experience through mine; it appears to be fairly obvious to the untrained eye that their intercept occurred while the tornado was still much weaker than it was about to become. That being said, the tornado was only estimated to have winds between 111 & 135 mph at its peak (per Hastings Damage Survey). Before you start with the yeah buts, I realize the rating is based per the damage caused by the tornado; that being said, in this case I feel the tornado hit the house while at, or very near its peak strength, and IMO it was certainly stronger when it hit the house, than it was earlier on when it hit the TVN vehicle. This has me wondering, first and foremost is the TVN vehicle accurate in measuring wind speed? If so, doesn't this raise some serious questions about how well the "estimated wind speeds" of the EF scale match the actual wind speeds occurring inside tornadoes? Also at what point will damage surveryers begin to look past the fact that there might be no "damage indicators" and when available, rate tornadoes by the actual measuerd wind speeds from inside the vortex?
 
Since this topic reminded me, figured I'd might as well bring it up here. I found/find it interesting that in their intercept, they mention measuring 138.8 mph winds. Given the logistics that I recall, and by watching their video as well as reliving the experience through mine; it appears to be fairly obvious to the untrained eye that their intercept occurred while the tornado was still much weaker than it was about to become. That being said, the tornado was only estimated to have winds between 111 & 135 mph at its peak (per Hastings Damage Survey). Before you start with the yeah buts, I realize the rating is based per the damage caused by the tornado; that being said, in this case I feel the tornado hit the house while at, or very near its peak strength, and IMO it was certainly stronger when it hit the house, than it was earlier on when it hit the TVN vehicle. This has me wondering, first and foremost is the TVN vehicle accurate in measuring wind speed? If so, doesn't this raise some serious questions about how well the "estimated wind speeds" of the EF scale match the actual wind speeds occurring inside tornadoes? Also at what point will damage surveryers begin to look past the fact that there might be no "damage indicators" and when available, rate tornadoes by the actual measuerd wind speeds from inside the vortex?

Yea I've thought about that too Dustin. I mean an EF5 tornado on the new scale only needs winds of 200MPH and that is an high end F3 on the old scale which appears more accurate as the DOW recorded 318MPH winds on the Moore, OK F5 on May 3, 1999. I mean that is a gap of 118MPH. I don't know I'm not a scientist but the old scale seemed much more accurate to me. But looking at old pictures of past F3/F4 tornado damage it looks to me the Greensburg tornado only deserved an F4 at best on the old scale. I still wonder why they even changed it, if somebody could answer that I'd appreciate it.
 
Since this topic reminded me, figured I'd might as well bring it up here. I found/find it interesting that in their intercept, they mention measuring 138.8 mph winds. Given the logistics that I recall, and by watching their video as well as reliving the experience through mine; it appears to be fairly obvious to the untrained eye that their intercept occurred while the tornado was still much weaker than it was about to become. That being said, the tornado was only estimated to have winds between 111 & 135 mph at its peak (per Hastings Damage Survey). Before you start with the yeah buts, I realize the rating is based per the damage caused by the tornado; that being said, in this case I feel the tornado hit the house while at, or very near its peak strength, and IMO it was certainly stronger when it hit the house, than it was earlier on when it hit the TVN vehicle. This has me wondering, first and foremost is the TVN vehicle accurate in measuring wind speed? If so, doesn't this raise some serious questions about how well the "estimated wind speeds" of the EF scale match the actual wind speeds occurring inside tornadoes? Also at what point will damage surveryers begin to look past the fact that there might be no "damage indicators" and when available, rate tornadoes by the actual measuerd wind speeds from inside the vortex?

I question the measurements they got. Sure, maybe the anemometer actually measured 138 mph, but the anemometer is pretty low on the vehicle and may not be high enough to be out of the slipstream of it. Being in the slipstream would cause compression of air and increased wind speed measured.
 
Michael,

I think one of the primary reasons to update the F scale, in the form of the EF-scale, is that it's now thought that much weaker winds can to do the damage that we've previously associated with stronger winds. For example, to produce F3/EF3 damage, you probably don't need as high of winds as was associated with the F3 range; thus, for the same type of damage, the EF3 rating dropped the winds likely associated with that damage. Remember, from a pure damage perspective, there is little difference between the old F and the new EF scales. In fact, the new EF scale has many, many more damage indicators and a more precise "degree of damage" (DoD) subscale that, theoretically, will result in more accurate classifications. It seems probable to me (though I'm no expert on this) that the winds speeds associated with the old F3-F4 levels may well produce damage that is actually high-end F4 and F5 in nature. As such, if we had kept the wind speeds, then adjusting the "damage" levels associated with F3-F5 would essentially homogenize those classes. It seems as though it was determined, however, that it's best to keep the damage associated with the old F and the new EF scales the same across each number, which required the adjustment of the wind speeds.

To me, and this is complete conjecture, it seems more likely that may more tornadoes actually have winds that can do EF3-EF4 damage (again, same damage as F3-F4, it's just the wind speeds have been adjusted downward). This has been talked about a bit in the past, but I know Curtis Alexander is looking at wind speeds in mesocyclonic tornadoes in supercells in the Plains, and his work suggests that the previous notion that "F0 tornadoes are the most common, with an exponential drop-off with increasing F number" is incorrect. This, in turn, may mean that many tornadoes are capable of producing EF2-EF3 damage if they hit something that can be rated as such. For the majority of tornadoes that stay in fields and/or away from substantial structures (damage to which is required for the higher damage ratings), however, it's difficult to rate anything above the lowest F/EF classes. So, perhaps it IS quite common for mesocyclone-produced tornadoes to have 120-150 mph winds at 2 meters AGL (i.e. perhaps it IS common for tornadoes to have the potential to create EF3 damage if they hit something substantial).
 
Also keep in mind that a tornadoes wind speeds aren't usually the same around the entire vortex itself. If you watch the video youll notice the highest gust would appear to be on the back side of it. Was it strengthening at this time I dont know as unfortunately I wasnt there....but if you have a tornado moving due east with winds at 100mph hour, there wont be even 100mph wind damage around the whole circumference of the vortex, this would be easier to spot with larger tornadoes. So if we have a large tornado its very possible that any structure hit could easily either be on a much stronger/weaker side of the tornado given its direction of movement.

Theres a really good illustration of this somewhere but I cant seem to locate it...

IMO an accurate measurement should be considered over human estimates when it comes to wind speeds...but that just raises more questions and debate so I just go along with the system that is currently setup and in place by people a whole lot smarter than me :p
 
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