Priorities poll: getting the shot vs. lightning risk

At what point do you put away the camera and retreat from lightning?

  • When lightning is striking one mile or closer to my position.

    Votes: 18 27.7%
  • When lightning is striking 1/4 mile or closer to my position.

    Votes: 17 26.2%
  • This poll doesn't apply to me because of the setup of my chasing vehicle--I'm inside filming safely.

    Votes: 16 24.6%
  • The heck with the lightning, I'm outside with the tripod getting the tornado!

    Votes: 14 21.5%

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Trying to set up this poll, not sure if it will work. Basically, just musing over lightning tonight and wondering at what point people with a passion for storms and getting photos/pictures of thunderstorm activity, particularly tornadoes, will retreat inside the vehicle (and rolling up the windows) or house to avoid possibly getting struck by lightning. Or will you stay outside until you get the dang shot?
 
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I'm pretty stupid....I ignore the lightning for the most part and keep filming. Have already had one really bad shock to the foot (2004) and a number of minor household (120v) shocks. I figure, even though I chase and increase my risk to crazy levels....still really really rare to be injured or killed enough to stop my chasing.

Add: I should add (reading Boggs post below)...for me it has nothing to do with getting the shot either, money or not. I just don't seem to mind the danger.
 
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I choose to get a little distance if it's shotgunning right next to me, and that's when I'm in the car. Usually you can feel the electric field at this time as well.
 
the one time we pulled the plug and got back into the car, lightning struck the telephone next to us about 20 feet away...

now I am happy with a 1/4 mile... hahaha....
 
(CNN) -- "A lightning strike killed seven people -- including a 4-year-old child -- at a nursery school Christmas party in South Africa, a government spokeswoman said Saturday. Forty others were injured when the lightning struck in KwaZulu-Natal Friday afternoon, said Mashu Cele, a spokeswoman for the province's social development department."

One mile, 1/4 mile .... you can't differentiate the spread if the bolt is originating from 5+ miles over your head. We spend massive research dollars on tornadoes that kill very few and most are not that dangerous as chasers have proven. Meanwhile lightning and flash flooding continue to take a toll.
 
I retreat pretty quickly nowadays. If I hear thunder getting pretty close and see CG's getting close, I get in the vehicle. No money shot is worth my life.
 
None of the above?

Concerning lightning photography, I'm still looking for that "few hundred feet away" bolt. I came close in 2009 in northwest Missouri when a bolt slammed down about 1/8 mile away at dusk.

Shot at 15mm

http://www.tornadofx.com/images/20090607light01.jpg

http://www.tornadofx.com/images/20090607light02.jpg

Even after that happened I was out shooting for another 10 minutes hoping for another one that close.

If I'm not exclusively shooting lightning and there is a close lightning risk, I'll usually film from inside my car with my window clamp.
 
I was limited to four choices in the design of the poll, as far as I could tell, but I'm glad people are giving their various views in replies. Gene, your comment about how we really can't safely or accurately gauge an upcoming strike in an active field reminds me of the new NWS policy change from the 30/30 rule to "when thunder roars, get indoors":
http://www.weather.gov/os/lightning/
The "don't be a fool, get out of the pool" adds a humorous jingle there too.

also, Florida Tech is one place lightning research is taking place, recent grant:

Lightning Researchers Participate in $9.8 Million Defense Agency Grant

07/12/2010

MELBOURNE, FLA.—Just in time for Florida’s summer lightning season, a $9.8 million grant will greatly expand research operations at the University of Florida (UF) and Florida Institute of Technology International Center for Lightning Research and Testing. Florida Tech will receive more than $1.9 million of the grant for its specific studies at the center.

The four-year grant from the federal Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, or DARPA, will let researchers probe the basic science of lightning using the center’s unique rocket-triggered lightning capabilities, said Martin Uman, principal investigator and a UF distinguished professor of electrical and computer engineering.

Florida Tech will take the lead on the x-ray and gamma-ray observations of thunderclouds and lightning. Conducting the research are Professors Joseph Dwyer and Hamid Rassoul and Assistant Professor Ningyu Liu.

The grant, which began in June, will fund cutting-edge new instrumentation and research, including the world's first x-ray camera for imaging lightning. The camera will not only take the first x-ray images of lightning, it will also take high-speed movies of lightning using the x-rays that lightning emits. Operating at 10 million frames per second, if successful, the camera will give researchers a detailed view into the inner workings of lightning.

Researchers at the lightning center, based at the Camp Blanding Army National Guard Base near Starke, fire wire-trailing rockets into storm clouds to trigger and study strikes. Investigations have spanned how to better protect electrical power lines, homes and airplanes to lightning’s root causes and characteristics. In recent years, a team from Florida Tech and UF was the first to document x-rays produced by triggered lightning. And late last year, the team published research on the possible radiation threat posed by lightning-produced x-rays to airline passengers and crews flying near storms.

Dwyer said the DARPA grant is aimed at exploring how lightning starts in the cloud, how it moves through the air, and how it connects to the ground.

"People are used to lightning and so sometimes forget how destructive it is. We have got these 50,000°F bolts striking at random all around us, carrying enough current to blow apart a tree. Yet, how lightning does what it does largely remains a mystery. We hope when we figure out how lightning works we will also learn how to make people safer,” he said.

http://www.fit.edu/newsroom/news/3943/lightning_researchers_participate_in_98_million_defense_agency_grant/
 
Gene, your comment about how we really can't safely or accurately gauge an upcoming strike in an active field reminds me of the new NWS policy change from the 30/30 rule to "when thunder roars, get indoors":

I hope they brought social scientists into the process, it seems way too simple to tell people "If you hear thunder, you can get struck." It could work for kids, but very few adults are going to rush for cover with every rumble.
 
I doubt any serious thought was placed into that poster - it mentions staying off phones and I've yet to hear of someone injured because lightning hit their cellphone while they were talking on it.
 
I hope Mike Kovalchick leans in on this one. A coworker of his wife got struck a few months ago while out walking his dog as a storm was closing in. I understand that lightning wasn't occurring close by--until then. The man didn't die, but now he struggles with some pretty horrible mental symptoms that include paranoia, memory lapses, and inability to focus. Doctors have said that, barring a miracle, his condition is permanent.

So I have no desire to take any risks at all with lightning. It's not just the fact that the stuff can kill a person that concerns me; what may be even worse is that it can make your life pure hell for a long time, maybe even forever. Chasing storms means that lightning is a risk I'm willing to accept to a degree. But if it starts getting close enough to where I feel nervous, then I'm not measuring distances while standing next to my nice, metal tripod--I'm packing up and shooting from the car.
 
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Actually, here is at least one case of someone using a cellphone hit by lightning in Florida:

Montverde, Florida-- A Lake County man was critically injured when he was struck by lighting while standing in the garage of his home while using his cell phone.

Trevor Duncan, 19-years-old, was talking on his cell phone to his brother when lightning struck him during a thunderstorm.

but yeah, that doesn't mean it was causal.

Hi Bob, horrible to hear about Mike K's wife co-worker. Hope he is able to recover significantly.

And yet, on the weirder side of things, very very rarely one reads about claims that lightning strikes lead to some benefit:

There is one published claim of improved intelligence on psychological testing after a prolonged cardiac arrest in a pediatric patient. A woman in southern Illinois became psychic after suffering a lightning strike while asleep in bed. Reportedly, her powers have been used by police agencies in locating missing persons and solving cases.

http://www.uic.edu/labs/lightninginjury/ltnfacts.htm
 
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Lightning really is my biggest weather-related casualty fear. With that being said, I can't accurately measure how far away lightning is always occurring.

I try to use my best judgment as to when to move back inside of a vehicle, which varies by situation, though I think we have to understand that the nature of chasing outside of a vehicle in adverse weather conditions inherently carries some sort of a risk, because people have been struck by lightning at distances over 10 miles away from a thunderstorm.
 
And yet, on the weirder side of things, very very rarely one reads about claims that lightning strikes lead to some benefit:

I'd like to see those "reports" -- it's one thing to claim that she "reportedly" has these powers used by police, it's yet another to verify such reports. ;>
 
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