• After witnessing the continued decrease of involvement in the SpotterNetwork staff in serving SN members with troubleshooting issues recently, I have unilaterally decided to terminate the relationship between SpotterNetwork's support and Stormtrack. I have witnessed multiple users unable to receive support weeks after initiating help threads on the forum. I find this lack of response from SpotterNetwork officials disappointing and a failure to hold up their end of the agreement that was made years ago, before I took over management of this site. In my opinion, having Stormtrack users sit and wait for so long to receive help on SpotterNetwork issues on the Stormtrack forums reflects poorly not only on SpotterNetwork, but on Stormtrack and (by association) me as well. Since the issue has not been satisfactorily addressed, I no longer wish for the Stormtrack forum to be associated with SpotterNetwork.

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    Sincerely, Jeff D.

Landspout Tornado Forecasting and Detection

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I thought it would be good to start a thread on landspout tornadoes since April 17th we apparently had a number of them.

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What is the state of the art in regards to forecasting them and detecting them?

What features were in place April 17th that indicated a number of these might pop up?

How easy is it to detect them by radar? Can they be detected by radar?

I might note that the 17th these were expected to be low topped storms, but not low topped supercells.

Also I find it interesting that the SPC log for that day lists a number of the tornadoes as 'landspouts' or 'cold core tornado'. Is the public and spotters now sophisticated enough to know the difference and report them accordingly?
http://www.spc.noaa.gov/climo/reports/070417_rpts.html
 
Davies has a good paper on this topic. They can be detected by radar, but since there isn't mid-level rotation (mesocyclone) it often doesn't show up until the landspout has already formed.
I don't know much about forecasting them. They typically form from misocyclones along boundaries through vortex stretching when they are ingested into an updraft. Boundary intersections are a good location. Geography tends to favor wind shift lines in certain locations that also focus landspouts (Colorado). Steep low-level lapse rates can also help with stretching, so that is something to look for when forecasting landspouts.
I haven't looked at the setup for the 17th yet and I don't have time tonight, but if nobody else comments on it tonight I will take a look tomorrow morning. I don't know much about this topic, but hopefully this helps.
 
Wakimoto has written some very informative papers on the subject. Look his name up in a journal search. One of his earlier papers was titled along the lines "Non-supercell Tornadoes".
 
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