Advice on Tornado probes?

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Hey guys. I have trying to get an idea for a tornado probe for awhile now, I haven't figured it out yet whether I want to build these myself or if I want to have someone else make them for me. I won't even think about that part until I get a basic idea of what types of probes I could use, and what shapes would be the most useful in keeping it anchored to the ground. I also made this thread for others to post if they need advice on what probes to use/build.

So what are your guys thoughts? Any advice for making a decent probe that will most likely survive a tornado impact and retrieve data?

Thank you all so much. :)
 
Is there a specific reason you want to do this? I'm not trying to talk you out of doing something you want to do, but building a legit probe that could survive a tornado and take quality measurements is a pretty high-end undertaking. People at research institutions and universities spend probably 5 to 6 figures from grants to research and build such devices using the highest-quality parts currently available, and even then they still sometimes run into problems with survival or, much more likely, managing to get a probe into a tornado.

Again, I'm not trying to be really harsh here, but in my time on this forum I have seen a number of people come through and propose to build some device to insert into a tornado to obtain some sort of measurement or get a video recording. They usually have grand ideas and a lot of ambition, but I have yet to see anyone churn out a product that works or get any measurements. I suspect the reason for that is the same in each case.

If this is something that is your dream and are truly passionate about, then don't let me detract you from your goal. However, you're going to have to do a lot of research to find materials to build a device that will work without bankrupting you. I suspect that after you look into this more deeply, you will realize you may have bitten off more than you can chew. However, here are my suggestions if you really are serious about it:

-Research. Do a Google search to find others who have attempted this. The folks at CSWR (the center for severe weather research headquartered in Boulder, CO and led by Josh Wurman) have made some probes. I saw some photos from PECAN that made it look like they were being used there, although probably not for the purposes of tornado research (rather, just ordinary atmospheric measurements). Tim Samaras made one, but I don't know if he made his designs public or well known to anyone. There is currently a thread on this forum (you can find it just below your entry in the Equipment section - or here:https://stormtrack.org/threads/a-new-method-for-collecting-tornado-related-data.28341/) by someone who is trying to build a UAV that can drop probes into a tornado. While that doesn't sound like what you are trying to do, I think you can get a lot of insight from reading the posts in that thread. Lastly, the obvious: since you want to bulid something that can survive a tornado, look for materials that are strong and hard to resist impacts from debris. One problem you'll likely encounter is finding a material that has those properties but at the same time isn't incredibly massive. Heavy materials probably will possess strength, but you'll have problems moving the probe. Also, I'm sure someone out there is developing very strong material that is light, but it probably costs a fortune and may not even be available widely. You'd have to ask around some R&D labs or chemistry/physics departments to find such a material. You'll also need something that is reasonably sized, which means you'll probably need to consider a highly aerodynamic design to avoid the brunt of the winds.
 
Is there a specific reason you want to do this? I'm not trying to talk you out of doing something you want to do, but building a legit probe that could survive a tornado and take quality measurements is a pretty high-end undertaking. People at research institutions and universities spend probably 5 to 6 figures from grants to research and build such devices using the highest-quality parts currently available, and even then they still sometimes run into problems with survival or, much more likely, managing to get a probe into a tornado.

Again, I'm not trying to be really harsh here, but in my time on this forum I have seen a number of people come through and propose to build some device to insert into a tornado to obtain some sort of measurement or get a video recording. They usually have grand ideas and a lot of ambition, but I have yet to see anyone churn out a product that works or get any measurements. I suspect the reason for that is the same in each case.

If this is something that is your dream and are truly passionate about, then don't let me detract you from your goal. However, you're going to have to do a lot of research to find materials to build a device that will work without bankrupting you. I suspect that after you look into this more deeply, you will realize you may have bitten off more than you can chew. However, here are my suggestions if you really are serious about it:

-Research. Do a Google search to find others who have attempted this. The folks at CSWR (the center for severe weather research headquartered in Boulder, CO and led by Josh Wurman) have made some probes. I saw some photos from PECAN that made it look like they were being used there, although probably not for the purposes of tornado research (rather, just ordinary atmospheric measurements). Tim Samaras made one, but I don't know if he made his designs public or well known to anyone. There is currently a thread on this forum (you can find it just below your entry in the Equipment section - or here:https://stormtrack.org/threads/a-new-method-for-collecting-tornado-related-data.28341/) by someone who is trying to build a UAV that can drop probes into a tornado. While that doesn't sound like what you are trying to do, I think you can get a lot of insight from reading the posts in that thread. Lastly, the obvious: since you want to bulid something that can survive a tornado, look for materials that are strong and hard to resist impacts from debris. One problem you'll likely encounter is finding a material that has those properties but at the same time isn't incredibly massive. Heavy materials probably will possess strength, but you'll have problems moving the probe. Also, I'm sure someone out there is developing very strong material that is light, but it probably costs a fortune and may not even be available widely. You'd have to ask around some R&D labs or chemistry/physics departments to find such a material. You'll also need something that is reasonably sized, which means you'll probably need to consider a highly aerodynamic design to avoid the brunt of the winds.

Jeff, No worries. You aren't being harsh at all. :) This is big decision, and I don't want to make a bad decision on this. The reason I want to do this is because I've always loved science and dreamed of being a scientist when I was growing up. Over the past few years, Just seeing the devestional impact Tornadoes like Moore, Tuscaloosa, and Joplin made me realize that we still have quite a ways to go on Tornado science. (Sorry if my word choice isn't the best, I am still new at learning things.) All in all, I want to use these probes for research. I appreciate and respect your opinion. I am definitely not going to even go into this until I research enough about it to come to a desision. I wasn't planning on doing anything with the probes until after I go to college. I need experience of chasing for a few years after that anyway. I don't want to go into this blindly.

I understand Jeff. I haven't seen that yet, but I can see how that would make you feel. If I decide to do this, I will make sure that my device will be tested, and that it absolutely works, I can't take probes out in the field if they don't work, that would be useless for my research. I don't recall if I ever told anyone on the forum, but I am going to be working towards a PH.D at OU for research Meteorology.

Thank you so much for the advice! You have been very helpful. :) I am open to alot of different ideas, so I am sure to think of something that might work.
 
I don't recall if I ever told anyone on the forum, but I am going to be working towards a PH.D at OU for research Meteorology.

Thank you so much for the advice! You have been very helpful. :) I am open to alot of different ideas, so I am sure to think of something that might work.

You're in good company, then. I just finished my fourth year of my PhD studies at OU for meteorology. There are other current OU SoM grad students on this forum as well, as well as numerous graduates. You should strike up a conversation with a few of them, as you'd learn a lot and get a bit of a head start on things.

Good luck!
 
You're in good company, then. I just finished my fourth year of my PhD studies at OU for meteorology. There are other current OU SoM grad students on this forum as well, as well as numerous graduates. You should strike up a conversation with a few of them, as you'd learn a lot and get a bit of a head start on things.

Good luck!

Thanks again! Good luck to you as well. Does OU have a great meteorology program? I would hope that it does.
 
Yes, both the undergraduate and graduate programs are among the nation's best. Probably less expensive than you'll find at some other schools near the coasts, too. The graduate program is likely one of the absolute best you'll find in this area of the world.
 
Ok sweet then! OU will still be the university I go to still. I heard it's 10 grand for in state, so that is not that bad at all. It's a good thing that they accept GED's.
 
I was in this type of thing when I joined Stormtrack last year. I was able to visit the OU campus back in June and it is a pretty cool campus. Living in Indiana means there will be TONS of out of state costs, but I hope. With the tornado probe idea I agree with Jeff and again I was in the same boat.
 
I was in this type of thing when I joined Stormtrack last year. I was able to visit the OU campus back in June and it is a pretty cool campus. Living in Indiana means there will be TONS of out of state costs, but I hope. With the tornado probe idea I agree with Jeff and again I was in the same boat.
That is wonderful to hear. I actually want to take a tour of OU someday. :) Best of luck to you in going to OU. Yeah Jeff had great advice.
 
Hey guys. I have trying to get an idea for a tornado probe for awhile now, I haven't figured it out yet whether I want to build these myself or if I want to have someone else make them for me. I won't even think about that part until I get a basic idea of what types of probes I could use, and what shapes would be the most useful in keeping it anchored to the ground. I also made this thread for others to post if they need advice on what probes to use/build.

So what are your guys thoughts? Any advice for making a decent probe that will most likely survive a tornado impact and retrieve data?

Thank you all so much. :)
Hello Rachel you may be interested to know that I built a tornado probe prototype and have tested it this spring it survived an ef2 and I am looking for someone to further help me with the project
 
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