Flooding in Colorado caused by HAARP

[chrisbray]

http://www.metabunk.org/threads/flooding-in-colorado-caused-by-haarp-nothing-to-do-with-climate-change.2424/

I thought you all might enjoy this - people picking apart and debunking paranoid claims about government controlling the weather and causing the recent Colorado flooding. Great for some laughs

 

[Dave C]

When I saw the thread title, I almost blew a gastket. I'm glad they are debunking the insanity and not adding to it.

 

[Shane Adams]

I'd be interested to see the numbers on how many HAARP believers are also religious.

 

[Matt Ashworth]

I read through that a few days ago. Great for some laughs, though having been affected by said floods (Boulder County resident) I'd never wish to see something like this again and I hope that those people with a few screws loose at least realize just how much hardship the flooding has caused for everyone in this region, especially for those in Jamestown and Lyons.

 

[rdale]

I'd be interested to see the numbers on how many HAARP believers are also religious.

Probably very low. Most of them are anti-theist, anti-government, anti-science, anti-anything idiots.

 

[Bob Hartig]

I don't understand why everyone is so quick to dismiss the HAARP conspiracy theorists. When I look at that satellite image, I see "US Government" written all over it. It's just so obvious. Only those who are willfully blind to the truth could miss the connection. Don't try to convince me otherwise--you'll only display your own deluded naivete or perhaps your collusion with HAARP. Can't trust anyone who isn't on the same wavelength.

Hmmm...maybe I'd better include this just in case anyone takes me seriously.

 

[Joshua Nall]

They believe something based on very little evidence. Sort of like believing that something came from nothing, which exploded into tiny bits that became living stuff and made dinosaurs, for no reason at all.

 

[MClarkson]

The reason this hurricane season was so tame was because HAARP was sequestered. I read it on the internet, so it must be true.

 

[Dave Kaplow]

They believe something based on very little evidence. Sort of like believing that something came from nothing, which exploded into tiny bits that became living stuff and made dinosaurs, for no reason at all.

There is plenty of evidence that the big bang happened, in fact multiple lines of evidence from various branches of physics point to the fact that the universe is expanding and must have ultimately originated from something that, for better or worse, has come to be called the big bang because it superficially resembles an explosion. There is no scientific evidence whatsoever that HAARP is capable of affecting the weather, you simply cannot equate the two theories - or rather the one theory and one paranoid delusion. I’ll grant you the “no reason at allâ€￾, though. Science for the most part makes no claim about why the big bang happened, so that question is more properly the province of religion and philosophy rather than physics.

 

[Joshua Nall]

There is plenty of evidence that the big bang happened, in fact multiple lines of evidence from various branches of physics point to the fact that the universe is expanding and must have ultimately originated from something that, for better or worse, has come to be called the big bang because it superficially resembles an explosion. There is no scientific evidence whatsoever that HAARP is capable of affecting the weather, you simply cannot equate the two theories - or rather the one theory and one paranoid delusion. I’ll grant you the “no reason at allâ€￾, though. Science for the most part makes no claim about why the big bang happened, so that question is more properly the province of religion and philosophy rather than physics.

I agree. The Bible makes several references, seems like it's 17 times it talks about an expanded universe or the heavens were spread out. And science has proven that it is expanding. The Bible also plainly states the earth is a sphere and this was long before it was proven. I think you almost have to be religious when it comes to thinking about where everything came from and then all that stuff becoming us. I was just throwing my thoughts into the mix since Shane mentioned HAARP people might be religious.

 

[Shawn Schuman]

Please don't take offense to this Joshua, but it sounds like you just don't understand the concepts very well. And that's fine - many people don't, and if the Bible makes the most sense to you then that's all that matters - but I think the scientific explanations are bound to sound a bit silly when you don't understand the theories and the evidence that underlies them.

As for HAARP proponents being religious, I doubt there's much correlation. There is a mindset most of them share, though. People who believe in one conspiracy tend to believe in others as well, and they tend to not be very good critical thinkers. Many of them have a deep mistrust of anything resembling "authority" and "official" stories and they make a big deal of being "independent" thinkers who investigate the facts rather than blindly accepting a story, yet paradoxically they're willing to blindly latch onto various theories from less-than-reputable (to put it politely) sources without any evidence so long as it fits into their conspiracy worldview. It's a strange, strange world those people live in.

There is plenty of evidence that the big bang happened, in fact multiple lines of evidence from various branches of physics point to the fact that the universe is expanding and must have ultimately originated from something that, for better or worse, has come to be called the big bang because it superficially resembles an explosion.

The name originates with Fred Hoyle back in the late 40s I believe. It's said that he sarcastically named it the "Big Bang" and that it was meant derisively (since he favored an alternate theory), but apparently he's denied that several times. Either way, it's definitely a misleading name. I think the bigger problem is that it's an extraordinarily complex science, and trying to distill it down for the general public ends up making it sound foolish. Although that goes for many areas of science I suppose.

 

[Greg Campbell]

They believe something based on very little evidence. Sort of like believing that something came from nothing, which exploded into tiny bits that became living stuff and made dinosaurs, for no reason at all.

... or believing that a White-Haired Dude floating in the sky poofed the entire universe into existence?

(Which, of course, just begs the question: Who or what poofed the White-Haired Dude?)

 

[Greg Campbell]

Metabunk looks to be a pretty cool forum. Thanks for the link.

 

[Joshua Nall]

Please don't take offense to this Joshua, but it sounds like you just don't understand the concepts very well. And that's fine - many people don't, and if the Bible makes the most sense to you then that's all that matters - but I think the scientific explanations are bound to sound a bit silly when you don't understand the theories and the evidence that underlies them.

I have to admit when I got into advanced physics class, relativity and special relativity... time dilation and length contraction... some of that stuff was hard to grasp. Plus the math got to be a pain. But I generally do ok with concepts. I think I understand the theories, and I've seen what has been said to be evidence of big bang, evolution, etc.... We are to believe it just happened, and more and more complex species arose from less complex. But the examples given are always evolution within a species by the process of natural selection, which no one denies. I've not seen even a best guess as to how a single-cell organism could evolve into a single-cell organism with a motor. There are no single-cell organisms with parts of motors, for example, and evolution by natural selection sort of says there shouldn't be. But anyway, I can't muster up enough faith to believe it all just happened so it is easier for me to believe in a higher power that did it. I've yet to see any proof the Bible is wrong. It is a simplified account of what actually happened, no doubt.

 

[Joshua Nall]

... or believing that a White-Haired Dude floating in the sky poofed the entire universe into existence?

(Which, of course, just begs the question: Who or what poofed the White-Haired Dude?)

Haha .... you know, I've thought about that, but why should it matter? If I were capable of creating something with intelligence and it started denying my existence because it couldn't figure out where I came from, I might be rather hurt, or angry, or something.