Who is still selling and/or still creating chase highlight DVD/Blu-Rays

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  1. Bill Hark

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    I have noticed a significant decline is chaser highlight videos over the last few years. Many chasers have stopped producing or selling them. Previously created highlights have been selling out or quietly discontinued. I guess most chasers are just posting clips on YouTube, Facebook or other social media. I miss the old-fashioned highlights video! Below are some who are still selling videos. Post who else is selling and especially still producing highlight videos. (I am not counting Storm Assist, the amazing compilation video collection to raise money for storm victims. I am just donating video to them rather than dealing with making a highlights video! http://stormassist.org/ )

    Jeff and Kathryn Piotrowski are still selling their exciting and well-produced videos;

    http://www.twisterchasers.com/Storm_Chasing_DVD_Store.html

    Roger Hill continues to make In Search of Supercells each year

    http://www.rogerhillphotography.com/dvds-available/

    Scott McPartland (multiple tornado, hurricane and severe weather videos)

    http://severeweathervideo.com/tornado_dvds.html

    Dave Lewison (Katrina and tornado videos)

    http://www.facethewind.com/DVDs-for-sale/index.htm

    Who else is still selling videos?

    Bill Hark
     
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  2. John Farley

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    I will eventually producing one featuring my 2014-2016 chases. Despite a couple great days, I did not really have enough from 2014 for a full highlights video, and my chasing last year was very limited due to being out of the country for much of April and May. But I have had a very good year this year, and will eventually be adding this year's highlights to what I have from the last couple years, and will produce a DVD/Blue Ray for trade or sale. Due to other higher-priority projects, it will be a while, though.
     
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  4. Skip Talbot

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    That's right. There's some seriously waning interest in chaser DVDs from what I've gathered. Bill's right. I think it just all shifted to YouTube and social media. I always edit all my shots for YouTube. If I made another DVD, it would just be a collection of my YouTube videos. I've thought about doing that actually. It sounds kind of pointless, but a burned DVD or Blu-ray is actually a lot higher quality than the videos you're watching online due to the heavy compression YouTube and Facebook use. Plus it's nice having them all in one place.

    We're even going to assess if it's worth doing more Storm Assist DVDs and Blu-rays. They're A LOT of work to compile and sales have been falling. For the effort that is involved, I'm not even that happy with how they turn out. That's on me though since I do most of the editing. I feel like they turn into a giant run on sentence of tornado footage. It needs to be like a regular show/documentary that flows with narration.

    That's something I can't pull off by myself, however. If anyone reading this wants to take the baton on the Storm Assist project I'd be happy to get you setup. It's a great cause, it just needs some more direction and fresh motivation.
     
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    I like what SA is doing and would be willing to help though I do not know what I can offer. Let me know man!
     
  6. Taylor Wright

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    I plan on making a 2016-2017 highlight video, in addition to others as I got quite a bit of decent material from this year. Doing it primarily for fun, so not really worried about pulling a profit. I will be starting a website soon as well, so keep an eye out for that. I'd like to see more videos with music added to them. Some of Skip's videos with the music and narration are great. Dick's video with Moby- Extreme Ways is very entertaining as well.



    I'd love to help with this. Feel free to shoot me a PM. I would be interested in doing narration or editing. Not sure I have the time to bear the full burden of the project, but a few of us together certainly could.
     
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    @Skip Talbot I think @Taylor Wright has a good idea. Maybe you could farm out each chase day to a different person. It would spread the work out and each person would bring a different touch to the style and editing. I would certainly be willing to help.
     
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  8. Skip Talbot

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    Thanks for the offers! I'll start another thread or group chat somewhere to see about organizing this and so this thread isn't derailed.
     
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    At the risk of staying only tangentially on topic...

    I've purchased several chase Blu-Rays over the past few years, and definitely still have interest in buying physical discs to see best-of-the-best footage in pristine quality. However, in my personal view, DVDs became nearly useless (at least for current/recent footage) at least half a decade ago. Even uncompressed at 480p, I'd sooner watch that same chaser's lossy, watermarked 1080p upload to YouTube, nevermind that it's free and convenient.

    Perhaps part of why interest and sales have died off is that, from my (admittedly limited) observations, many chasers who produce compilations have chosen to stick with DVD as either their primary or only offering. And I get why: Blu-Ray is a lot more expensive, from the discs themselves to the hardware required to work with tons of 1080p video to the time you waste rendering. But, at this point, it seems like Blu-Ray is the only physical medium that offers an experience clearly superior to social media platforms. Speaking for myself, if I were going to make a compilation, I wouldn't bother with DVD unless it was old footage recorded in SD or on a modest analog camcorder.

    HD digital downloads, like what Storm Assist began offering last year, are admittedly tricky from the standpoint of piracy. But if those issues can be worked out, or aren't a huge concern for the seller, that might be the best way to attract interest. I would have no problem dropping $15 for a Blu-Ray quality file, as the lack of shipping charges and waiting time easily compensates for lacking a physical copy on my shelf.
     
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    It's always been depressing to me that the world has gotten so locked in to technology that they've let it surpass the experience itself. People used to talk about how awesome a tornado was on the video, because they were watching it to see the tornado. Now they marvel at the pixilation, resolution, crispiness of the picture quality. It could be wipers on a windshield in a rainstorm and it wouldn't matter; that damn quality is AMAZING!!!

    Which means people like myself have simply been priced out of being relevant. It's an odd way to be erased, when everything you do otherwise is still pretty amazing.
     
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  11. Bill Hark

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    I used to regularly purchase or trade for tornado video compilations and over the years have amassed a huge collection that I can never watch regularly. I am simply running out of physical space and now rarely purchase chaser or any other videos. I now mainly purchase compilations such as Storm Assist. My last chaser highlights ended in 2012. When I want to crank my 2013 chaser video, I put in the Storm Assist 2013 blu-ray! It was a lot of work to put together my last highlights video and I sold a few but certainly not enough to make it worthwhile from a monetary standpoint. I mainly did it for myself and as give-away/trading material. I don't know if I'll ever have time to complete another highlights video.

    @Shane Adams , I didn't realize you were still selling videos, thanks for adding the link above. Somehow, I had thought that you were winding down selling dvds due to low sales and Dryline shutting down. Anyone reading this, definitely check out Shane's awesome tornado videos on the link he gave earlier. I think I own almost all of them.

    @Skip Talbot The old Storms of.. series had usually had a separate editor for each chase day and then folks who put the whole thing together. Each day usually started with a brief meteorology segment and then showed the footage mixed with radar and maps. The separate daily editor thing might be easier than one or two editing the whole thing.
     
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  12. Dan Robinson

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    Social media has really revealed the "breaking news" state of mind of most people today. All that matters is what's happening right now. Just look at what happens when you post a mundane picture of a storm in realtime vs one of your best images from years ago. The latter gets almost no love. Could the same hold true for DVDs? Probably, to some degree. The exceptions are the videos that tell a story, and don't just show short clips of old tornadoes. My best-performing tornado video on my Youtube channel is Mulvane. That video, I just uploaded more or less the raw MiniDV tape from the day with very little editing - starting with a shot of a combine harvester in a field before the storm.

    All this to say is that there is probably still a market for tornado video - maybe even BluRays - with some storytelling behind them rather than just gratuitous action clips.
     
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  13. Skip Talbot

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    That's indeed what we're going to do for this year's production. We've got about 14 people that have offered to edit so far, so we should be good to go there assuming everyone follows through. We just need video contributions now.
     
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  14. Joey Ketcham

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    DVD in general is just a dying breed with so many options being available for on-line streaming, not to mention Youtube and social media. DVD is falling to the wayside just as VHS did many years ago thanks to the advancements made with technology and the internet. Honestly, I haven't had any sort of TV service (cable TV, dish network, etc) in the pat 6 years, I haven't rented or bought a DVD in 8+ years... to me it's all just obsolete and not needed. Welcome to the future, thanks to technology.
     
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    I have noticed at least one chaser (David Reimer I believe) putting up an hour plus video from the Dodge City or Wynnewood day on YouTube and charging a fee to watch the video.

    It's merely a suggestion but it's a route chasers who are still in the DVD selling business should try out. I personally have no desire to buy anymore DVDs however I would be intrigued by a digital download of a tornado compilation much like Storm Assist did with their 2015 compilation as well as Martin Lisius' The Chasers Of Tornado Alley which can be found on Vimeo for rental or digital download.

    I would pay to see a compilation from Ben Holcomb, Adam Lucio, Hank Schyma, Marcus Diaz, and Jeff Piotrowski just to name a few if they were to upload over an hour of tornado videos and they charged a fee to view it.

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  16. John Farley

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    Maybe I am biased because of the crappy internet connections we have out here in southwest Colorado, but I would much rather watch a Blu Ray on my big-screen TV than an unreliable stream on my computer monitor or phone. Or maybe at the age of 66 I am just old-fashioned. Anyway, I have been working on my 2014-16 compilation, and when it is ready, I would be happy to trade with anyone else still bothering to make highlights videos. Oh, and BTW, I would be happy to share my footage for Storm Assist also, once the call for video goes out.
     
  17. Warren Faidley

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    It's been rather interesting to watch the evolution of video / digital productions since I produced my first amateur production of "Thunderstorm" back in the early 1990's. I put a $50.00 ad in Weatherwise Magazine and nearly fell over when I found my PO Box stuffed with 20-30 checks. That was not a lot of money, but just enough to make the effort worthwhile as I was living on water and rice. The changes are many: Cost effective advertising is all but gone. Even with clever marketing on the Internet, you will be lost in a sea of related / junk advertising. To place yourself at the top of search engines now days would not be cost effective. YouTube and social media has taken over as the depository for free entertainment with little return for the producer. People have become desensitized to violence. Does not matter if its gruesome terrorism or a tornado shot from 50 feet away, who cares? The news cycle now days is decreasing my the minute. It will also be possible in the not-so-distant future for anyone to create 100% realistic digital footage of tornadoes, lightning, etc. And forget copyright laws. It will be interesting to see where this all leads.
     
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  18. cdcollura

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    Good day all,

    Only the older footage is used for such discs, almost all newer stuff is on YouTube (and social media) that same day, within minutes sometimes.

    The only thing I see DVD/BlueRay for now is benefits for general audiences, not to mention special productions (Storm Assist to name one).
     
  19. Ben Holcomb

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    In 73 characters you just summed this thread up. The fact you and so many others are just 'doing it for fun' has saturated the market. Youtube ads seem the best route at this point, I still make money off there every few months so that isn't too bad. DVDs/physical media is dead.
     
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    So we shouldn't make our own DVDs because it hurts your sales? All I'm saying is I'm not betting the farm that my DVDs/BluRays are going to sell. That doesn't mean I won't sell them if I can. If people were giving away DVDs, I could see your point, but it just seems like you're angry because someone other than you wants to make a highlight DVD. I also haven't seen many highlight videos at all over the past couple of years. Admittedly I'm not looking very hard, but the ones I've seen have been either low quality or uninteresting. I thought trying to make a profit off chasing was dead? A few people making highlight DVDs is not what saturated "your" market. Camera phones and the influx of more chasers is what saturated it.
     
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  21. Ben Holcomb

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    Re-read what I said. I said you summed it up in 73 characters because you and many others don't care to make a profit and many will just blast their videos to YouTube. Tornado video has a saturated market and it only gets worse every event.

    I didn't say you shouldn't sell a highlights DVD or give one away. If you think it's cutting into "my market" you would be sadly mistaken as I haven't even sold a DVD in 2 years as I took my store offline in 2014 or perhaps January 2015. I am, however, always willing to trade highlight DVDs with folks.

    I just don't see the effort payoff anymore. It's hard to make a DVD and it's a dead medium. Skip is right on the money that more production to tell a story is needed, even in storm assist which is a conglomeration of some of the best stuff shot by chasers.

    I know you took personal offense at that but it wasn't intended as a personal attack. Hard to give boring text a context. Turn down the sensitivity knob in the future!

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  22. Taylor Wright

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    I thought you were referring to DVDs saturating the market, not YouTube videos, so it seemed more like a personal attack than a point being made about YouTube videos, as if you were saying "YOU making DVDs is infringing on MY ability to sell mine" but I see what you're saying now. I just want to see my stuff put together in a clean, edited format with some narration and music here and there. I've pretty much come to terms with the fact 50 other people will have video of the same tornado. So I guess my question is, what's the point of not putting your stuff on YouTube if the market is saturated one way or another anyways? Are there people putting tornado videos on YouTube solely for the purpose of making money? I guess if you can consistently get hundreds of thousands of views that's viable.
     
  23. Ben Holcomb

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    I get mine up quick and get a steady, albeit small, income stream from it. Made a couple grand though off Moore video in 13 by getting it up fast. Otherwise mostly to complement my own website. It's all self serving.

    And it's any medium not just YouTube, but YouTube is more prevalent. It's the reality in 2016. The only one with what I'd call original content of the same tornado shot we all have is Hank Schyma, but he obviously spends a lot of time working on his videos.

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    If you like a production to go along with the tornado footage I cannot say enough good things about what @Blake W. Naftel put together for volume one of Storm Chasing: The Anthology. It was quite an involved project to produce the Blu Ray and DVDs earlier this year, but the final product was a class act. One run of DVDs and Blu Ray discs were produced and going forward the product will only be available on Vimeo On Demand, including new material. Here is where the announcement was made. On the home page Blake mentioned there are a few left for anyone interested in purchasing one.
     
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    If you have a 4K TV the next thing you should do, and I do mean immediately is go see Mike Oblinski's 4K Vorticity.
    I watched in on my 65" 4K, and its nothing less than spectacular. He used huge resolution, (8K) images, one by one to build the time lapse video at 30FPS. The music is just as good however.
     

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