What's the worst that could happen?

Discussion in 'Advanced weather & chasing' started by Will Campbell, May 3, 2017.

  1. Will Campbell

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    Every ounce of me says this shouldn't be in "advanced" weather... but how quickly would someone die in this thing... and they are serious about it :eek:


    https://www.facebook.com/417CandC/p...798446&notif_t=like&notif_id=1493854216325304



    Please welcome our project car that will be periodically making appearances at our event!
    It's called the Tornado Puncher and it's underway being built by a company called Storm Mapping!

    When completed, this built Chevy 6.6 liter gas motor powered, full time 4X4, vehicle will be able to withstand the most powerful of tornadoes to help keep our communities safer by better understanding the movement and predictability of deadly storms.

    Check it out this Saturday, May 6, at Coffee and Cars! The chief engineer will be there to answer questions for everyone!


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  2. Greg Flint

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    "If the thunder don't getcha then the lightning will!"
     
  3. Greg Flint

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    Will - I gotta say, your post on Facebook seemed really agro, angry, holier then than thou BS. I'm not on Facebook and maybe that's what's it's all about, but you sure didn't take that tone on here. Why the difference?
     
  4. Will Campbell

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    Because I generally don't deal with ignorant idiots on here :)
     
  5. Will Campbell

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    And frankly... because that thing will get people killed.

    I'd agree with all of your statement but the last part. Not sure where you get "holier than thou" or "BS". :rolleyes:
     
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  6. Matt Hunt

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    Looks like it's Michael Phelps. He's a pretty experienced chaser. Not being an engineer myself, or having any knowledge of this vehicle, I can't say whether it would be safe or not. Not exactly an original idea, though. Personally I don't think video from inside the tornado is any good.
     
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  7. Jeff Snyder

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    That Coffee and Cars blurb only really mentions something akin to "chasing to save lives". Can someone explain how this vehicle is going to lead to "better understanding the movement and predictability of deadly storms"? It seems more likely that the only thing to result from it will be nice video very close to or inside a tornado. *shrug*
     
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  8. JohnHuntington

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    The craziest part (Quoted from FB), " It will not be manned when it is driven into a tornado. It will be controlled by remote into the path of tornadoes to gather crucial data. "
     
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  9. Sid Smith

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    I don't care if other people want to drive themselves into tornadoes, for whatever reason. My main concern is this: I feel like this thing presents a monumental safety hazard for the general public and/or storm chasers who are trying to get close to tornadoes the old fashioned way. Remotely driving a steel missile battering ram car on public streets during a natural disaster in which people could be fleeing, and yet more people could be chasing/filming, just seems like a terrible idea destined for a catastrophic end. Looks frickin schweet though.. My 2 cents.
     
  10. Warren Faidley

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    Where on earth did they get such a brilliant idea?

    However, since it's for life saving research to gather data that will soon answer the final questions regarding tornadogenesis, then I guess they might be wise to start a Kickstarted project. I'm really worried they may not be affiliated with an actual research organization. What if their instruments are not scientifically calibrated? They might overlook the need for multiple data sets from several points to confirm their findings. I just hope they don't forget to produce a peer-reviewed scientific article in a major scientific publication after the project ends to allow said research to be immediately applied to life saving applications. I'm sure they will. Fake news or fake meteorology, it's all the same -- half the public drinks the Kool-Aid while the smarter half sees through the smoke.

    Like Sid said, I personally don't care if they kill themselves -- but I fear for my EMS brothers and sisters who will have to respond, risking storm hazards while taking resources away from the public. These types of vehicles may withstand an EF0-3 tornado, but I would advise them to study the physics of an EF4-5+ tornado. Objects in motion stay in motion until they stop - sometimes abruptly. About 18% of fatal automotive accidents involve a torn aorta from abrupt deceleration. Would this or any armored vehicle offer injury or death protection from a Joplin class tornado -- no. Vehicles are crushed under massive debris, thrown into lakes, ponds or impaled with pointy metal objects. The uninformed public sees this behavior and it subliminally suggests any vehicle (armored or not) has some degree of protection. Some of the world's best vehicle engineering comes out of NASCAR and Formula 1, but drivers are still killed and injured in crashes under 140pmh. Having said this, the Darwin Award is yet to be awarded in scientific endeavors.
     
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  11. Brad Dormer

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    According to a post yesterday they added 5 tons (or around that amount, not entirely sure because of short term memory issues) of "armor", so basically if they drive it into anything it can't handle (EF4-5) it's going to be a 5 ton+ projectile.... fun.
     
  12. Greg Flint

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    How dare anyone question a project where the goal is to save a life!
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  13. Mark Blue

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    I wonder what legal hoops they have to jump through (and if they have addressed those) to operate it remotely? Insurance, permits, local and state laws....

    I'd leave it to someone else who is much better connected to the scientific community, otherwise I fear their credibility (indicating it's based on research) will become an issue as Warren alluded to.
     
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  14. Will Campbell

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    I think all of these types of vehicles, including the "first two" are pretty ridiculous, why chance risking life when it could be done in another way? But to each their own. This one takes it to another level... I've seen more aerodynamic and down-force inducing school buses. I feel like a strong RFD could roll that and certainly a stronger tornado would turn it into a steel missile.
     
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    This HAS to be a joke...

    Last thing I want to see when out there is an armored vehicle travelling at any speed on public roads being controlled by some guy who would probably rather watch the tornado live than through his "screen".
     
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    I just want to know where they will be chasing/intercepting so I can go find another storm without 5-ton unmanned missiles.
     
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    Looks like they provide "Storm Damage Services". I guess that means they provide storm damage (by using a tornado to fling a 5 ton vehicle into the air).

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  18. rebelrage

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    I say as small is that thing is with as much horsepower as it has just shed some weight and see what it would do in a quarter mile but I don't really know a track that would allow that

    Sent from my XT1635-01 using Stormtrack mobile app
     
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    I seen this vehicle before somewhere. I forgot where. but It was remote controlled. I would use a RC vehicle to get in the tornadoes.
     
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    I would file this under either a late April Fools joke, or a classic Fake News item. Otherwise, how or why could anyone think this...this..thing could work without causing extreme danger to the public, as noted in above posts.
     
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    This is as exciting and fresh as someone announcing "I've decided to start chasing storms."

    I like my crazy a little more original.
     
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  22. Will Campbell

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    :D
     
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    This thread is so good I literally cannot tell where the sarcasm ends and anything serious begins!
     
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  24. Will Campbell

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    Everything here is super 100% serious life saving, researching and discovering goodness Jeff, fear not!

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  25. Jamie G Cox

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    Lol. Looks like some kids designed it for their 7th grade go kart derby.
     
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