The resignation was almost certainly due to the issues cited here: As People Were Losing Their Lives and Homes, Hawaii Manager was Concerned About 'Equity'Maui's emergency management chief has resigned, citing health reasons.
My God, when will all of this craziness stop?The resignation was almost certainly due to the issues cited here: As People Were Losing Their Lives and Homes, Hawaii Manager was Concerned About 'Equity'
I had to read the NY Post story twice -- the info was so shocking -- to make sure I was understanding it correctly. Political correctness came before both fighting the Lahaina Fire and alerting the people in its path.
Oh people - especially those who aren't in the emergency management field like Mike - quite regularly jump to conclusions long before having the facts.My God, when will all of this craziness stop?
As it says right at the top, the newspaper that carried the story was The New York Post, which Rob would have known had he -- for once -- read my posting before commenting on it.The "Washington Free Beacon" isn't known for its accuracy for a reason
Or you can go to Newsweek to learn that the official in charge of diverting water to reservoirs waited 5 hours to respond to requests for water diversion, telling firefighters to "inquire with a local farmer first to check how a diversion of the water supply would affect him." (Kaleo Manuel, Maui water official, faces scrutiny over fire response)As it says right at the top, the newspaper that carried the story was The New York Post,
I think we are in ST Discord #negative-vibes territory, now. @Mike Smith does not need me to defend him, so I will just pull this tangent back to the point of my "Newsweek" post: to highlight that news coverage from a different side of the idealogical spectrum (e.g. Newsweek) is questioning the decision-making of officials in this event.You could - but that's not how we do event analysis in the real world. While most of Mike's current stuff is whacked - look at some of the work he did back in his prime. It was done afterwards when you could analyze all the data and walk through the decisions being made.
As a Reagan (small government) conservative, please allow me to explain our philosophy. The genius of a free enterprise + limited government + liberty for the people system is that that people will usually work in their own best interest which creates a more dynamic and effective system for everyone than one defined by bureaucrats.Look: state and local agencies are the darlings of conservatives, especially constitutional conservatives, who tend to have the attitude that "there aren't enough smart people in the world to make big government smart". So to see such (apparently bad) state and local decision-making renders this event hard to watch as it unfolds (and it is still unfolding.)
While most of Mike's current stuff is whacked
I'm really surprised the moderators allow these personal attacks to continue as they have been going on for years. Note that Rob never seems to have evidence that I am incorrect, he just doesn't like it when I point out issues with his fellow bureaucrats. So, all he can do is launch bile.Oh people - especially those who aren't in the emergency management field like Mike - quite regularly jump to conclusions long before having the facts.
Yet another no evidence rant by Rob. Just a personal attack. Moderators?Mike is prone to that, especially since he has no experience in emergency management, and I feel obligated to call that out so people know he is out of his league here. We all have areas of expertise - and being good in one isn't a guarantee that you'll be good in everything
But, it appears from media reports (which may be incorrect) that, once it was "contained" that it was more or less left by itself. Do you happen to know whether that is correct.But its also not economically feasible to staff your organization for a once in a generation event.
I have seen the same reports as you.But, it appears from media reports (which may be incorrect) that, once it was "contained" that it was more or less left by itself. Do you happen to know whether that is correct.
I think we may be talking about 2 different things. Emergency Management and the Fire Service are two totally different things in alot of the country. Or maybe you are trying to make a different point.Matt,
There are multiple news reports that 100% of Maui's EM staff was on Oahu for training meetings and only joined the continuing conference call pertaining to the fires five hours after they started.
Here is one of the many articles: Maui officials were attending FEMA disaster training on Oahu while families burned to death in Lahaina
Evidently, they did not leave anyone behind to "man the store" while the others got trained.
I haven't seen/heard in any of the media (TV/Newspaper/etc) anything about mountain-wave setup being the cause of the wind .. every one of them were putting it on Dora.All that said, seeing the major effect on the local winds created by the mountain wave is very informative,
I'd looked on satellite when the fires were going, & was honestly kinda surprised how far the hurricane was from HI, from the way the news was talking, I expected it to be right near the islands.Just to clarify - Hurricane Dora was WAY too small and WAY too far away to have been a factor