Fatality reports & death toll thread

Jul 5, 2004
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Just to settle things down, and I hope everyone reads this. A lot of people who aren't members of this forum are coming here for information. They are worried about family member's lives and they are worried about their homes. Please try to be considerate and stick to the facts.
What Bill said.

We need to be responsible when relaying information. Never assume that reporters or officials are being responsible. Don't be too quick to repost what some reporter/anchor/official said. Think about it first.

The last thing we need here is sensationalism. It doesn't help anyone, and only causes anguish and terror.
 
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Part of it may be to scare people from coming back to NO.... it could help save some lives by overestimating the causulties.

Aaron
Well, if that's the psychology these folks are using, then they are idiots of the highest degree. I could use more colorful language, but I'd be banned from this board. That's how angry I am about this.

That kind of psychology is TOTALLY inexcusable. People have lost loved ones, homes-basically, everything they've had. There's NO reason for making them more terrified than they are. There are better ways of telling folks to stay away. :roll:

I just got back from the doctor's office with my mom, and I was watching CNN. The death toll has risen to 80. :(
 
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That CNN interview just now was extremely disturbing. It will be a few days yet before we have an idea of the true death toll from this storm, but regardless of the number it is clearly a catastrophe. I don't see how people can think it was "over-hyped" when, as horrific as it is, it would have been an order of magnitude worse if not for a mere 15 mile, last minute deviation.

The water is still slowly rising, and people are still trapped in their attics.
I can't imagine why some people even went as far as to criticze the NWS and even the NHC just 6 hours after landfall because it wasn't apparently clear that NO had been destroyed. Just because Katrina weakend a little bit didn't change anything and it is now clear most of what the strong wording in the KLIX message was right. Now we haven't even heard from the areas that would have been in the worse winds I.E. Plaquemines, Christian Pass and Waveland with 110kts-100 kts covering the whole eastern/NE side of the Eyewall.
 
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I fear we're looking at a death toll from LA to AL in the hundreds. Officials fear hundreds are dead in Biloxi, MS. I fear we're going to find dozens, if not hundreds of dead in NO too. If the water continues to rise, the toll may rise.
 
I think the hundreds dead in Biloxi is only the tip of the iceberg. I doubt they have gotten out to perform even 1/3 of the searches yet.

The sad, likely reality is that the final death toll will be up into the thousands. Not only will the flooding issues be the immediate danger, but look at water contamination, heat exhaustion/stroke, heart attack, waterborne disease. I will keep those folks in my thoughts and prayers.
 

Anonymous

CNN reporting officials estimate 1000-2000 dead in New Orleans from flooding!
You know, I have to say this...

This kind of nonsense these officials are spouting is really ticking me off. It may be true, it may not be. But I don't see the need in terrifying people more than they already are. Let's get HARD FACTS.

And I say this as a person who saw 2,800 people die at the World Trade Center with my own two eyes. People need to be more responsible when they put out info to the public. :roll: :x
As someone in Pensacola, FL who stayed for Hurricane Ivan and didn't believe initial reports from our local officials, I say, I don't care what you saw at the WTC, if you haven't been through a devastating hurricane like this, you have no business to criticize folks down here. Devastation is devastation regardless of the cause.

There is damage from Ft Walton Beach, FL (that's well over two hundred miles from NO) all the way to Louisiana. Waters are still rising in NO. Cities in MS have been decimated. It is as bad, and probably much worse, than anyone can even imagine.

Angela in P'cola
 
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A brief scroll on fox news said over 80 deaths now in Mississippi. Have no clue where they're getting it from but I haven't seen it again recently.

...Alex Lamers...
 

Anonymous

Have heard from several different sources on different channels that there are bodies floating around in the water, no doubt none of these have been counted yet...
 
Angela,

While we do sympathize with everybody whose suffering along the Gulf coast, I think you are completely missing Saul's point. He's only saying that the officials and the Media that relays the information should not throw numbers out to the public that are not facts. I have to agree with him. State the facts and let the average person decide how they want to interpret it. Personally, I think the death toll will be horrific, but I do not think that officials should say it will be in the thousands without the facts, knowing that for sure.
 
My fiances grandmother lives in Pascagoula, MS. Actually, about 3.5 miles inland just south of I-10 and Moss Point, MS. The surge reached 10 miles inland or 6.5 miles north of her location. There had to be a 35-40 ft surge somewhere. Her house was submerged 3 miles inland by water. Every pine tree is down in the yard, not to mention a shrimp boat is sitting in the drive way. The water is contaminated by dead goats that a goat herder just left to evacuate. I will post more information as soon as I recieve it....
 

Anonymous

I was watching a reporter interview an official with the CDC and he started to speculate about what sort of illness outbreaks there might be and will it be necessary to quarantine people, etc.... I have to say that questions like that are irresponsible. At the very best, they use scare tactics like that so frequently that people become desensitized to them. At the very least, people will see that and become more frenzied for their survival, creating panic and even looting to increase (as people steal to "survive").
 

Rob_Davis

Her house was submerged 3 miles inland by water. Every pine tree is down in the yard, not to mention a shrimp boat is sitting in the drive way.
Wow! That is almost word-for-word my story from Betsy in Gulfport, 1965!

It is just almost unimaginable that a shrimp boat the size of three houses can end up 3 miles inland until you see it for yourself.
 
Her house was submerged 3 miles inland by water. Every pine tree is down in the yard, not to mention a shrimp boat is sitting in the drive way.
Wow! That is almost word-for-word my story from Betsy in Gulfport, 1965!

It is just almost unimaginable that a shrimp boat the size of three houses can end up 3 miles inland until you see it for yourself.
I will be trying to get to the area to take some photos sometime within the coming weeks. The area is uninhabitable and will be for several months. She lived near a wildlife reserve in SE Jackson county, MS.
 

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Harrison County, MS Emergency Operations Manager has reported over 100 confirmed deaths in the Biloxi/Gulfport area.

Angela in P'cola
 
Jul 5, 2004
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Angela,

While we do sympathize with everybody whose suffering along the Gulf coast, I think you are completely missing Saul's point. He's only saying that the officials and the Media that relays the information should not throw numbers out to the public that are not facts. I have to agree with him. State the facts and let the average person decide how they want to interpret it. Personally, I think the death toll will be horrific, but I do not think that officials should say it will be in the thousands without the facts, knowing that for sure.
Thank you.

I wish people payed closer attention to what they read. :roll:
 
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And just a little added factoid...

I have family in Florida and Puerto Rico. So, I'm more than well aware of the kind of damage that happens in hurricanes.
 
wow what a grizzly thought -
......plus the real threat of disease, water contamination, heat exhaustion, sewage, chemical spills, dehidration, hunger, floating corpses, looting, violence, more flooding this thing is a long way from being over....and now they must leave the superdome...lets all pause and pray for those that arent gonna make it
 

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"Hundreds, perhaps thousands, dead in New Orleans."

I quote this because it came from the Mayor of the city by way of the AP.
 

B Ozanne

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DHS was giving an estimated figure of 100,000...absolutely incredible. If this turnes out to be true, not only will it be the deadliest hurricane in US history, but it will actually be deadlier than all of the hurricanes in the past combined.
That seems totally unrealistic. Any ideas on how they broke that down?
 

Kurt Wayne

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Chris,

I heard a report on one of the news stations yesterday that survivors in Biloxi described a storm surge (?) filled with wood and debris that looked like a moving floor, going right toward them.

Remember the footage from Banda Aceh, Indonesia at that wedding party, near the epicenter of the Indian Ocean earthquake last December? That's exactly how the waves going through that town looked in that video.

I've really been worried that we were going to hear an eventual figure like this "DHS" one...only hope they're vastly wrong on the high side.