Bullied?

Discussion in 'Weather In The News' started by Todd Lemery, May 2, 2018.

  1. Todd Lemery

    Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2014
    Messages:
    358
    Likes Received:
    284
    • Like Like x 2
    • Dislike Dislike x 1
  2. joel ewing

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2004
    Messages:
    568
    Likes Received:
    107
    • Like Like x 1
  3. Mark Blue

    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2007
    Messages:
    2,479
    Likes Received:
    209
    Those are terrible conditions to work under. I wish there was something we could do to push back, but I suppose it’s best left to those who work directly with this tough guy. One of these days the boss will meet his match in the bathroom and his reign of intimidation and fear will land him on the deck wondering what just happened.

    It’s really hard to imagine scientists working in such an environment. This just isn’t supposed to happen...
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Dislike Dislike x 1
  4. Jason Harris

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2008
    Messages:
    537
    Likes Received:
    6
    Does CFACT have much credibility? Until there's evidence beyond a random website--such as a legal record--think that skepticism is advised:
    __
    “This alleged incident never happened,” NWS spokeswoman Susan Buchanan told The Daily Caller News Foundation. “Dr. Uccellini encourages open discussion on all science issues and perspectives, and he has never had a physical altercation with anyone in his 40-year career.”

    Buchanan responded to a report published by Committee For A Constructive Tomorrow (CFACT) alleging Uccellini “put his hand on the meteorologist’s chest as a warning, and pushed the employee against the wall,” according to an NWS meteorologist, who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

    http://dailycaller.com/2018/05/02/national-weather-service-head-accused-assault/

    H
    uh, CFACT looks pretty dubious:
    https://www.theguardian.com/environ...-knows-not-to-bet-against-global-warming-data
     
    • Agree Agree x 4
    • Like Like x 1
    #4 Jason Harris, May 3, 2018
    Last edited: May 3, 2018
  5. Alex Elmore

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2015
    Messages:
    68
    Likes Received:
    61
    As someone who works part time in a NWS office and works on a regular basis with NWS personnel from across the country, I have never heard or experienced such an environment. From what I have experienced and know, the offices work to provide support for people of all beliefs (scientific, religious, cultural, etc.) through providing helpful resources and proper work environment. I feel that in general, employees have positive attitudes and are comfortable. I'm sure experiences will vary slightly from office to office, situation to situation, and individual to individual.

    The fact that this is being "reported" by a source that obviously has an anti-climate change agenda should be a huge red flag. Also, the fact that it happened 4 years ago and is just now being brought up is questionable. The article makes it sound like this meteorologist and their colleague are still employed by the NWS. If the work environment is so terrible, then why not find another job? If they're good at what they do, it shouldn't be a problem.

    The last part of the article is also questionable. What credit does this meteorologist have to say that funds and data are being mismanaged? I'm fairly certain NWS forecasters do not have access to that information. And that's not because of secrecy, but because they simply don't need to have access to that information for their job. And if they did, where are the numbers? Where is the proof? Anyone can say anything, but you better be able to back it up. Could anything this article claims to have happened actually occurred? Sure, I suppose there's a chance. But this whole article just seems like a conspiracy theory to me.
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Agree Agree x 1
  6. Mark Blue

    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2007
    Messages:
    2,479
    Likes Received:
    209
    I checked the board of directors http://www.cfact.org/about/cfact-board-of-advisors/ on their website and I see one name jump out at me right away. Robert C Balling Jr, Ph.D., who was one of the best and brightest professors I had while at UNL completing my degree. He used a text book for the class I took under him authored by another well-known Climatologist named Glenn Trewartha, from the University of Wisconsin Madison. I was so struck by Glenn Trewartha’s knowledge that I spent an entire semester researching and documenting what I could find in a final report. Got an A in that class but that’s neither here nor there.

    My only point is Bob Balling was a class act following another class act before him and my faith in their website was just bolstered by discovering that small piece of information.
     
  7. rdale

    rdale EF5

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2004
    Messages:
    6,696
    Likes Received:
    270
    Anyone who has looked at the other stories on this website can quickly pick up that it's a #FakeNews site. Giving this crap any attention is no different than a Twitter-war with Russian bots...
     
    • Like Like x 2
  8. Dan Robinson

    Dan Robinson WxLibrary Editor
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2011
    Messages:
    1,940
    Likes Received:
    1,262
    The state of trustworthiness of even mainstream news sources is really bad these days, even more so for some of these smaller sites. Unfortunately it is very hard to determine what is true, especially early on in the news cycle. The problem is that the current online economy favors sensationalist and partisan articles. Journalists can't survive financially being objective and balanced, so we see all types of things like this. The truth tends to emerge in time, but until then everything should definitely be taken with a grain of salt.
     
    • Agree Agree x 4
    #8 Dan Robinson, May 4, 2018
    Last edited: May 4, 2018
  9. Mark Blue

    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2007
    Messages:
    2,479
    Likes Received:
    209
    It looks more like a student movement if anything to me. I wouldn’t go so far as to call it Fake News though just because they aren’t as big and polished as say, Fox News for example.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  10. rdale

    rdale EF5

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2004
    Messages:
    6,696
    Likes Received:
    270
    I'm sure there may be some real content in there :) My point is that it's clearly not a reputable fact-based source.
     
  11. Marc R. O'Leary

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2013
    Messages:
    391
    Likes Received:
    196
    Somebody got fired from X job (likely because they sucked at it)...and in these times of everything is offensive or assault, might as well try to make a buck or get some social media attention.

    I miss the 80's.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  12. Mark Blue

    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2007
    Messages:
    2,479
    Likes Received:
    209
    If something similar to this happened to me I'd go to HR and ask about my options within a couple of days. That way it could be dealt with as swiftly as possible versus some 4-5 years later. I recall taking training about whistleblower policies when I worked for the Federal Government and the jist of it was anybody who came forth with potentially inflammatory information against management would be protected under the policy and couldn't be fired for simply coming forward.

    At this rate the story will never gain much traction because it isn't salacious enough to attract the attention of the mainstream media. Not that it even should, if it's untrue to begin with.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  13. FalettiWx

    FalettiWx EF0

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2014
    Messages:
    31
    Likes Received:
    73
    A quick google search of the organization yields the following info from Wikipedia:

    "The Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow is a Washington, D.C.-based 501 nonprofit organization founded in 1985 that advocates for free-market solutions to environmental issues, but has increasingly turned to climate change denial."

    I don't want to get into a political debate, but that raises a red flag to me that there's a definite political agenda at hand. Also just the fact that it's a seemingly random, obscure website would lead me to believe it has a much lower chance of being credible than well-known sources. Plus the whole "mismanaging the data" spiel just sounds like a conspiracy theory.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • Like Like x 1
  14. Jake Orosi

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2011
    Messages:
    302
    Likes Received:
    26
    Well, but so does Bill Cosby I bet.
     
  15. Jeff Duda

    Jeff Duda Resident meteorological expert
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2008
    Messages:
    2,719
    Likes Received:
    1,067
    This passage stuck out to me:

    because combined with this later statement:

    which seems to reduce the impact of the first statement (it sounds like he/she is backing off on what they said just before), the whole thing sounds exactly like the typical (and ignorant) response a climate denier gives to pro-climate-change issues. Also, I'm pretty sure there are dozens (and that's being conservative) of peer-reviewed articles documenting accurate climate model simulations that pretty readily match the temperature trend over the past 30-50 years, so that statement is likely false. It is rendered even more dubious by this later statement:

    I'll also the comment by Jason that questions the credibility of this article. I understand that anonymity may be preferred if the victim truly feels threatened by the alleged assailant. However, it does not appear that the victim has come forward to law enforcement and offered any sort of statement on-the-record, because this would be a pretty big deal if the law got involved, and it would certainly make the news. As an employee at a NOAA lab, I have not heard even one inkling of anything like this going on. Sure, people can scream cover-up, but you can only cover something like this for so long before it eventually comes out. Secondly, this seems to be a single-source narrative, and no corroboration seems to have been offered of this account nor of anything else the meteorologist featured in the article claims. A 'coworker' is mentioned, but no names are given and I haven't seen a statement from this coworker at all.

    In general the statement just seemed to be riddled with throwing accusations at walls and hoping something sticks. A lot of claims were made with no source material to backup anything. I'm not saying absolutely nothing happened, but anyone properly scrutinizing this account would have to admit there are a lot of questions to doubt the certainty or validity of any of it.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  16. joel ewing

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2004
    Messages:
    568
    Likes Received:
    107
    Since I was not involved in this little "dust-up" personally, I don't know who to believe here. What I am quite certain of is that compared to decades ago, people are under extreme pressures to perform and produce, as well as be able to navigate through new politically correct norms. This is mentally and spiritually pushing many people to their ragged edges...past the point where their internal "behavioral filter" is able to keep them in control.
     
  17. Todd Lemery

    Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2014
    Messages:
    358
    Likes Received:
    284
    Mr Shane Young. I noticed you gave me a dislike for starting this thread. It came across my Facebook page and I simply shared it here to see if anyone here had any personal insight. What exactly did you find so offensive Shane?
     
  18. rdale

    rdale EF5

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2004
    Messages:
    6,696
    Likes Received:
    270
    Probably because it's made up.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  19. Todd Lemery

    Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2014
    Messages:
    358
    Likes Received:
    284
    Thank you Dale. I was looking for some input from someone with personal knowledge of the allegations.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  20. Mark Blue

    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2007
    Messages:
    2,479
    Likes Received:
    209
    None of us really knows if it happened or not because we weren’t there to have firsthand knowledge about it. A person can either summarily dismiss it or choose to believe there *could* be a grain of truth in there somewhere. Either way it’s not worth debating because there’s no way to substantiate the claim that was made. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and beliefs!
     
    • Like Like x 2
  21. rdale

    rdale EF5

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2004
    Messages:
    6,696
    Likes Received:
    270
    Good point Mark... Jumping to conclusions that the boss should "meet his match" in the bathroom would probably not be a good move then :)
     
  22. Dave Kaplow

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2003
    Messages:
    327
    Likes Received:
    2
    I have no objection to this thread or the OP, the discussion is good. However, I’d just like to point out that this is exactly how fake news gets spread. It starts with either a flat-out made up story, or, as in this case, a dubious anonymously-sourced story at a random website with an ax to grind and an obvious political agenda... The story gets passed around by like-minded people and is soon being discussed online via social networks and/or forums just like this one, then the next stage is for the matter to become so ubiquitous that a respectable news source picks it up, and voila: totally fake news that can be attributed to a trusted media site.



    The important question is, of course, did any of this really happen, and here it’s pretty obvious that it did not. These are major accusations being made, and we would have heard about it already if it were even remotely true. But their unwillingness to name this mysterious meteorologist is telling. If you read the article carefully, it’s clear CFACT didn’t even talk directly to their alleged anonymous source, they use weasel-wording like “according to an account provided to CFACT”, and so forth. So, somebody told somebody else that this happened, and they brought it to the attention of a climate-denialist website – now there’s some journalistic integrity you can trust! I suppose it’s remotely possible that CFACT has in fact scooped everyone and is the first to break a genuinely shocking story, but… I wouldn’t hold your breath. Until this becomes more than “someone told us about an anonymous source who says that...” I’d say it can be safely ignored.
     
    • Like Like x 1

Share This Page