Glaciers disappearing from Kilimanjaro - Page 11

Ryan McGinnis · 12-03-2009, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshua Nall

When I was 14 or so mom took me to the dentist. He said I had 4 cavities, wanted to drill out and fill all of them with metal alloy. She took me to another dentist, he said I had none. To this day I have never had a cavity. This type thing goes on in every field.

I've always been leery of experts.

Which is why, to this day, whenever I need my spleen removed, I turn to Yahoo Answers. I've taken it out myself at least three times now.

Joshua Nall · 12-04-2009, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Ryan McGinnis

Which is why, to this day, whenever I need my spleen removed, I turn to Yahoo Answers. I've taken it out myself at least three times now.

Didn't mean to take away from the scientific nature of this thread by posting something from my childhood, but I did learn a lesson from that experience.

Was it a Doctor that said you needed to remove your spleen? He may have made an incorrect diagnosis, Doctors are notorious for that. I would have definitely gotten a second opinion, researched it myself, etc.. especially after the second go round

If it is a blood disorder caused by a malfunctioning spleen, that can sometimes be handled with medication.... just throwing it out there by chance your Dr. didn't tell you. Sometimes they hold back information also.

Experts are just people. We consider them experts because they have generally devoted huge amounts of time to something. It doesn't mean that they are right.... or even bright, some of them. Now NASA is in the news again... going to get interesting.

Ryan McGinnis · 12-04-2009, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Joshua Nall

Didn't mean to take away from the scientific nature of this thread by posting something from my childhood, but I did learn a lesson from that experience.

Was it a Doctor that said you needed to remove your spleen? He may have made an incorrect diagnosis, Doctors are notorious for that. I would have definitely gotten a second opinion, researched it myself, etc.. especially after the second go round

If it is a blood disorder caused by a malfunctioning spleen, that can sometimes be handled with medication.... just throwing it out there by chance your Dr. didn't tell you. Sometimes they hold back information also.

Experts are just people. We consider them experts because they have generally devoted huge amounts of time to something. It doesn't mean that they are right.... or even bright, some of them. Now NASA is in the news again... going to get interesting.

I also rode to work today on a unicorn.

Jason Harris · 12-04-2009, 09:31 AM

http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/1...5357mdBkSoxGDM

Believe me this link is relevant--it's all about what constitutes evidence.

Robert Dewey · 12-04-2009, 10:05 AM

This thread is still going? Didn't the Hadley Center squash the idea of Global Warming?

MClarkson · 12-05-2009, 01:09 AM

Why do these articles always call Kilimanjaro's glaciers "world renowned"? They are small, slow moving, and dirty from lack of precip. Many(most?) other famous mountain ranges have glaciers that are much larger, get far more precip, and are steeper and faster moving, therefore containing all manners of awesome gaping crevasses.

Because Hemingway wrote a book that mentions them? Or because these glaciers are so small that they are close to dissipation, better fitting the agendas of many of these writers?

Joshua Nall · 12-08-2009, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryan McGinnis

I also rode to work today on a unicorn.

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Originally Posted by Jason Harris

http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/1...5357mdBkSoxGDM

Believe me this link is relevant--it's all about what constitutes evidence.

Well I'll be! I didn't know unicorns were real! I'm just an Arkansas hillbilly, don't travel much... I hunt a lot, but I've never seen one around here. Where can I find those? I'd sure shoot one if I seen it... can you eat those???

There are shirts with Obama riding a unicorn. I see paintings of Obama naked riding unicorns.... I can't tell if it is Obama supporters or Obama critics promoting that stuff. Beck on Fox, interviewing Jonah Goldberg, where Goldberg says,

" And let me be clear: I don't think this debunks the whole idea of global warming (talking about climategate). But what it does debunk is that there are these pure, gifted, wonderful scientists, riding around on unicorns just trying to stay the divine truth, you know?"

So I guess saying "scientist, riding around on unicorns" would be implying they poses almost magical abilities and have totally moral objectives. I'm assuming the "Obama on a unicorn" shirts and paintings are a joke then? Just a country boy here... first time I have been confronted with the idea of unicorns, riding unicorns, and the like.

Joshua Nall · 12-08-2009, 08:03 PM

Here's an interesting Kilimanjaro article I ran across while researching what unicorns had to do with global warming. Oh by the way... my conclusion: They fart methane just like cows.

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/dutch-g...f-kilimanjaro/

... which includes a link to a "highly technical" article published in the journal Nature. It is technical I suppose, but very short:

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal...ture08520.html

Professor Jaap Sinninghe Damste — a leading molecular paleontologist at Utrecht University, has found that Kilimanjaro's ice cap is formed during periods of greater precipitation and that the disappearance of the ice cap now occuring is due to a recent period of lower precipitation. He has concluded that Kilimanjaro has been ice free in the past following a previous dry period and may be ice free again in the future, due to intirely natural causes.

I'm no molecular scientist, but seems to be just as science based as other studies. He has supposedly studied 25,000 years worth of sediment layers at the base of the mountain to identify periods of greater precipitation. I reckon these periods of greater precipatation could be due to climate change (ha)...

Regarding the use of word "expert" in my previous posts. When I think "expert" I think of the guy... or gal... with the know-it-all attitude...ask them a probing question and they come back with, "what... you dare to question ME?"

I love science... LOVE it. Scientist welcome questions, look at ALL the data, welcome every plausable explanation. Scientist admit when they don't know something, when they are wrong, and when they don't know enough to say for sure. Science of late has suffered damage because of the "experts".

Damon Poole · 12-09-2009, 08:42 PM

Tell it like it is Joshua! Tell it like it is!

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Originally Posted by Joshua Nall

Here's an interesting Kilimanjaro article I ran across while researching what unicorns had to do with global warming. Oh by the way... my conclusion: They fart methane just like cows.

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/dutch-g...f-kilimanjaro/

... which includes a link to a "highly technical" article published in the journal Nature. It is technical I suppose, but very short:

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal...ture08520.html

Professor Jaap Sinninghe Damste — a leading molecular paleontologist at Utrecht University, has found that Kilimanjaro's ice cap is formed during periods of greater precipitation and that the disappearance of the ice cap now occuring is due to a recent period of lower precipitation. He has concluded that Kilimanjaro has been ice free in the past following a previous dry period and may be ice free again in the future, due to intirely natural causes.

I'm no molecular scientist, but seems to be just as science based as other studies. He has supposedly studied 25,000 years worth of sediment layers at the base of the mountain to identify periods of greater precipitation. I reckon these periods of greater precipatation could be due to climate change (ha)...

Regarding the use of word "expert" in my previous posts. When I think "expert" I think of the guy... or gal... with the know-it-all attitude...ask them a probing question and they come back with, "what... you dare to question ME?"

I love science... LOVE it. Scientist welcome questions, look at ALL the data, welcome every plausable explanation. Scientist admit when they don't know something, when they are wrong, and when they don't know enough to say for sure. Science of late has suffered damage because of the "experts".

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MClarkson Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: KTUS Posts: 516 Thanks: 4 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Why do these articles always call Kilimanjaro's glaciers "world renowned"? They are small, slow moving, and dirty from lack of precip. Many(most?) other famous mountain ranges have glaciers that are much larger, get far more precip, and are steeper and faster moving, therefore containing all manners of awesome gaping crevasses. Because Hemingway wrote a book that mentions them? Or because these glaciers are so small that they are close to dissipation, better fitting the agendas of many of these writers?

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Joshua Nall Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texarkana, AR Posts: 156 Thanks: 4 Thanked 15 Times in 9 Posts	Here's an interesting Kilimanjaro article I ran across while researching what unicorns had to do with global warming. Oh by the way... my conclusion: They fart methane just like cows. http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/dutch-g...f-kilimanjaro/ ... which includes a link to a "highly technical" article published in the journal Nature. It is technical I suppose, but very short: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal...ture08520.html Professor Jaap Sinninghe Damste — a leading molecular paleontologist at Utrecht University, has found that Kilimanjaro's ice cap is formed during periods of greater precipitation and that the disappearance of the ice cap now occuring is due to a recent period of lower precipitation. He has concluded that Kilimanjaro has been ice free in the past following a previous dry period and may be ice free again in the future, due to intirely natural causes. I'm no molecular scientist, but seems to be just as science based as other studies. He has supposedly studied 25,000 years worth of sediment layers at the base of the mountain to identify periods of greater precipitation. I reckon these periods of greater precipatation could be due to climate change (ha)... Regarding the use of word "expert" in my previous posts. When I think "expert" I think of the guy... or gal... with the know-it-all attitude...ask them a probing question and they come back with, "what... you dare to question ME?" I love science... LOVE it. Scientist welcome questions, look at ALL the data, welcome every plausable explanation. Scientist admit when they don't know something, when they are wrong, and when they don't know enough to say for sure. Science of late has suffered damage because of the "experts".